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Post by vgleason25 on Apr 14, 2014 17:56:40 GMT
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Apr 14, 2014 18:48:32 GMT
The knife is definitely an African design, though there seems to be a fair amount of overlap between regions, so placing it is a bit difficult. The hilt and scabbard remind me of much of what I've seen from the Sudan, though the blade greatly resembles this Jile Dagger from the Horn of Africa, minus the fullers; given that the Sudan is pretty much right next door to where that dagger was found, it could be an example of the overlap I've seen in a number of African blades. As for the saber, the best person to ask that question would be Dave Kelly, who's exceptionally knowledgeable on the subject of 18th-19th century military swords. |
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Post by randomnobody on Apr 14, 2014 19:31:16 GMT
Can't comment on the saber, though it sounds close to me, albeit the blade shape strikes me as odd, but the dagger looks like a north-African (Morocco? Sudan?) jambiya. At least, that's the closest match I can find. Here's Oriental Arms' selection of African weapons: oriental-arms.com/items.php?coll=2&cat=2Doesn't quite match a jambiya, but it looks even less like anything else I've seen. The shape of the blade is weird to me. Edit: Vincent's link was being wonky for me, but I just got it to go (blame my phone, it's moody) and I have to say that's a much closer match. Don't know how o didn't see that when I went looking just now. |
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Post by vgleason25 on Apr 15, 2014 17:59:17 GMT
Thanks for you help, randomnobody and Vincent. I agree, from the pictures it looks closest to a Jile Dagger. The one you showed, Vincent, says it probably belonged to a high ranking person because of all the silver. Would you say mine belonged to a more common folk because it only has etched brass(?) for decoration?
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Post by Beholden on Apr 21, 2014 21:46:04 GMT
Brass is simply a moore common material... You could think of this as a 'working man's' jile... Middle class kind of thing.
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Post by Phil Harris on Mar 22, 2017 14:00:17 GMT
I have seen something similar to this African Knife. It was rescued from a museum in Nottingham sometime in the late 1930's, where it had been labelled as 'Robin Hoods Knife". I am sure it is African, possibly Nigerian and related to the kaskara. I hope this is of some help.
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Post by Croccifixio on Mar 22, 2017 14:40:30 GMT
Sabre isn't a 1796. I've seen this type before, along with the pointy blade. Let me try to dig around.
This is closer to the 1803 pattern infantry/flank officer's but not quite. Looks like some US 1839 ones made in Solingen. Will dig deeper.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 17:36:41 GMT
There are, of course, similarities to a British 1796 or British 1803 but the similarities to either pretty much limited to a curved blade. All those dang katana look alike  I would put the sabre at about that 1840 mark but more likely a decade or so earlier. Produced in which country would be the trick to solve. |
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Post by Croccifixio on Mar 23, 2017 1:02:39 GMT
I saw a few on ebay that were listed as Prussian sabres using captured French blades. Are there any markings on the spine or near the guard? Even just maker's marks we can look at?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 1:18:11 GMT
The second sword, more like a knife I think, looks like a Nepalese kukri from my research because of the inward curved edge. My friend tells me it is not a kukri but he thinks it is a North African knife. He says kukri are much heavier, single edged weapons with no stabling point. He also thinks the handle and sheath look African. He guesses someone brought it back post WWII.     Does anyone have any thoughts on either of these item or have seen something similar? Let me know if I can supply additional information or pictures. Any guesstimates at their value? Glad to be here and thanks for your help! I would like to know how 'big' this actually is. Based on that, it could just be a more curved Afar or a shorter less fancy Akrafena. Looks more like the Gile of the Afar knife. |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 23, 2017 1:20:05 GMT
This is a bit out of my field, but it very much looks like a US Militia War of 1812 type contract cavalry saber. Not a Starr; something else. The lack of a makers mark is too bad, but also furthers the idea of it coming from a small contractor out of the main stream. Needs more research. Lot of dove handles floating around. As you say, I can't find a British or German type without some form of Langets. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 3:31:48 GMT
There are plenty of dove heads without langets made in England and the continent. Iron hilt parts though speak to the possibility of US orgin. Militia swords of this general type not uncommon in the states until the 1830s. A long blade would be likely for a mounted role.
Leather scabbards and no langets went hand in hand.
Bezdek's 1812 thin mint holds a lot of information for the US sword makers of the period. Lots of books can be required reading and the title can be bought on Amazon for the electronic version.
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