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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 9, 2014 3:00:18 GMT
Just saw this awesome vid and thought I'd share... opinions welcome
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 11:59:51 GMT
Idealized. If martial arts were only for defense and not attack, how did they manage to have a period of warring states? :-)
A lot of what they are saying makes sense. It both shows courtesy and respect, and also projects a certain feeling. If you see someone moving with precision, then logically it follows that they have their act together and trying to jump them might not be a very good idea.
The bit about incorporating 'dignity' corresponding with the performer grimacing seems like a mixed message - it was "just a form" until he made a pained face, then it's real?
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Post by Kurimuzon on Apr 9, 2014 13:34:55 GMT
Took me quite a while to properly memorize the opening/closing reiho during seiza. "Sword goes here, like this, if you do it like this, that's an opening/weakness. If you touch this part first, that is considered aggressive. Etc."
Personally, I found it all quite interesting. I wonder, if the class system was still as severe as it was between nobility and commoner, I wonder what things would be like? Such as they get to wear swords all the time, have the right to duel each other and kill lower class for some kind of affront, etc. I'm not saying that I want things to be like that, I'm just curious how it would have changed society in general.
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Post by Richard Arias on Apr 9, 2014 20:54:39 GMT
Such things are not limited to Japan and Samurai. Knights in Europe had class systems with similar things happening as far as high born and low born and soldiers ex. Even in america there are still "military families" who embrace the military life and traditions of dicipline and service. There were accounts of kids killing themselves because they were not allowed to serve in WW2 and Korea. I would argue that things in concept really arent so different as far as the people. But what society has come to be has more made people have any choice for their lives... and be in limbo because they cant or wont choose a path.
As hard as it might be to some people I would enjoy having a cast and a family business.....
I deal with friends whos parents gave them skills from family traditions they do nothing with. A friend who is a Very good welder because 3 previous generations of his family were. Another friend who is a sushi chef learned from his family. One of my older friends father owns a dojo and he is the 3rd generation..... all 3 of these guys spend their time drinking, playing video games and working retail.
For all the things the midevil times had wrong there were just as many things they had right...
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 9, 2014 22:44:39 GMT
They're called "legacy children", i.e. kids born into rich/powerful/influential families who've had things handed to them on a silver platter. I agree that lots of these "legacy children" are spoiled and could do better things with their lives (examples: Paris Hilton - Hilton hotels heir, or Robert H. Richards IV - DuPont heir who raped his 3 year old daughter, yet served no jail time because he "wouldn't fare well in jail")... but I digress... the whole idea of budo/martial systems is to instill a sense of awareness about yourself and everything around you. That doesn't necesarilly mean you have to constantly be wary of attack, but you should be aware of your surroundings in order to "see" the beauty of the world around you, and then defend yourself if necessarry... at least that's what I've gotten out of my training and the video in the OP.
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Post by Richard Arias on Apr 10, 2014 3:12:30 GMT
I agree for the most part my experience has been similar. I just wish that the martial path was more than a job or hobby as it has become in the main stream schools today in my experience. People dont see the arts as a life path. I have met to many people where it is just what they do and does not filter to who they are and how they view life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 11:50:37 GMT
That's just people, though. Not every samurai would have been a walking paragon of some archetype, thinking otherwise really is romanticizing these people into something they never were. It's no different than modern military, or any other role - sure there are individuals who try to define themselves in terms of the part the play and strive to live up to whatever ideals they hold, but there are just as many if not more who see it as a way to make rent and get fed. Someone else can certainly give you a job or an apprenticeship or a trust fund, whatever, but nobody can hand out michi. You are on your own, there.
The fact that we have some limited capacity for self-determination means you actually have a chance to decide what kind of person you want to be and what you want to do with your life that would be even more difficult, if not impossible, to pull off in a society where your fate was tied even more strongly to what social class your parents happen to belong to.
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Post by Kurimuzon on Apr 10, 2014 12:58:53 GMT
I believe you misunderstood what I was saying, what I was a generalization of the class system, which has historically existed worldwide, which is why I chose the words nobility and commoner instead of using any language specific terms. However, I didn't clarify that so I do concede that fact It's such a shame to hear about people that have family traditions/skills go to waste like that. I plan on passing down what I have learned from martial arts down to my children, but I do wonder how they will feel about it when they're older. I do recognize that there is still a relative class system, though it's typically divided by money. For example, a rich person can drink and drive and kill 4 people and get away with it, but a person of significantly lower income will probably get at least 20 years in prison. I do have a question though, if a blatant class system were reinstated, what things should be brought back with it? Anything new? Nice swords can only be worn for the military/martial class? Dueling brought back but allowed across all classes?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 1:18:09 GMT
Kiri-sute gomen and droit de seigneur.
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Post by Prabibushido on Apr 11, 2014 21:48:38 GMT
good vid, this is what im trying to learn too. Thankfully we have mirrors in our Dojo.
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Post by Kurimuzon on Apr 14, 2014 12:47:01 GMT
"Sir, did you just bump into me? I demand your virginity :evil: "
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 14, 2014 15:30:07 GMT
:shock: :lol:
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