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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 17:29:39 GMT
I was just wondering if anyone had this sword and maybe has done cutting with it? I'm just curious how it handles and such. There's a review from a while ago, but when the review was done the sword was newly acquired and there wasn't much on handling characteristics or cutting ability, though it had great info on the measurements and stats. If you don't have the mameluke sword but do have a Military Heritage sword, any general input on their quality would be appreciated too! Thanks in advance y'all! www.militaryheritage.com/mamelukesword.htmedited for pic and link
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 3, 2007 21:26:09 GMT
It's certainly a very nice looking sword, and at that price I'd like to think it a sturdy, capable sword, as well. I don't know anything about this company, or this sword in particular, but I'm now interested. If I had the disposable income I used to have prior to gaining too many hobbies, I'd spring on it just to see. Maybe somebody else could?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 22:24:25 GMT
Sure looks good. But sorry I really dont know anything about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 22:40:10 GMT
It sure is an attractive sword. What has me really tempted is its hilt construction, it has a full tang that extends to the limits of the handle, as most genuine Shamshir or Seif or Kilij would. MRL and Cold Steel completely fudged their "shamshir" hilts by making them Kilij hilts and then not even designing the tang correctly, which negatively alters the sword balance and durability (though durability isn't too much of an issue with water bottles and pool noodles). I'm sure the Military Heritage Mameluke is durable because of the correctly designed tang and hilt, but I would like info on tempering, edge retention, or potential "battle-readiness" for lack of better term. In other words, I want to know if it would be suited eventually for training and use in cutting... Here's a pic of the tang construction, compared to an original: And an original (couresty of oriental-arms.com): And again, if anyone has ANY info on Military Heritage swords in general regarding battle-readiness or ease of sharpening or edge retention, etc, please share! Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2007 22:43:58 GMT
They are beautiful swords. I personally have no interest in them (im not so big on the middle east) but to each his own.
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Post by ShooterMike on Oct 4, 2007 1:30:27 GMT
That sword has tempted me for a while now. But like you, I have been waiting for someone else to rave about sabers from Military Heritage before ordering one (and I have been focusing my collecting elsewhere). I think I remember that Kreigschwert and/or Freebooter has a saber from Military Heritage. Maybe they could share what they know about these?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2007 0:45:06 GMT
Thanks for the info, ShooterMike! I'll hope one of them sees this soon, if not I'll PM them. If MilitaryHeritage turns out to be truly battle-ready, then I can guarantee this isn't the only sword I'll end up buying. They have some real beauties.
If their attention to tempering and quality control are as historically accurate as their swords, I'll be one HAPPY camper.
edit: typos...that's what you get for a college all-nighter...oy
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Post by hotspur on Oct 9, 2007 7:55:00 GMT
Dave (Freebooter) had shared some thought on a Discriminating General/Military Heritage piece over at Net Sword. here's the thread/review netsword.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000534.htmlAs to the product line itself, something that had come up and I have just gotten around to finding the thread again; this company takes responsibility for supplying the Canadian company www.weaponedge.com/In communication with them (not me), it was related they use EN8 steel, which seems to roughly equate to 1040. They also quote a rather low hardness number but maintain they use a soft spring tenper for durability's sake. This all came to light in a thread elsewhere, some months ago. I had visited the India site in another incarnation a couple of years ago and never bookmarked it. There it is though and indicative to what I have said about many producers feeding what may be quite a few importers, Windlass included. Cheers Hotspur; one can apparently order direct but shipping probably offsets the cost difference a bit
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2007 2:09:42 GMT
Sorry for the late reply, midterms caught up with me. Is 1040 what one may call "weapons-grade," for lack of a better term? Or, more specifically, is it a level of steel that would have been acceptable for cavalry sabers in combat?
Thank you for your information!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2008 23:33:05 GMT
Hello all, I ordered that sword, the Mamaluke from Military Heritage, a while back but did not have it long. I gave it away as a gift to a friend. But I will tell you this much; It was one of the most beautiful and well made swords/sabres that I have ever held in my hands. Absolutely finely made, with seemingly excelent steel, temper, etc., excellent metal to wood finish, etc.. The blade was so beautifully curved and nice and wide like I like them!! There was nothing flimsy about it. It was a tiny bit blade heavy to me. But I can tell you this, from the feel of it in my hand, the heft of it, and the swing of it as I swung it around, I bet you it would cut someone from skull to apetite!! There are times I have regretted giving it away and in fact will probably order me another one one of these days. Yep, in fact I intend on it! I went back to Netsword and highlighted an copied my original post or review of it. Here is that revew or post below: ---------------------------------------- Hello all, Yesterday I recieved my new Mameluke Sabre I ordered two or three weeks ago. It is a great feeling to get off of work and come home to find a nice packag waiting for you and inside of that a nice sword! Anyway, someone asked me the other day if when I got the Napoleonic Mamaluke Sabre I ordered from www.militaryheritage.com to please post any info I could about it and describe it. I got it from the website just mentioned but actually they said to address the MO and order to "The Discriminating General". For pics go to the website. Check it out. It is a beautiful sword! While I am no expert on either swords or proper terminology of parts, etc., I will do the best I can. So here goes: -------------------------------------------- Military Heritage's Napoleonic Mameluke Sabre: This sabre feels a slight bit blade heavy but perhaps that is because I have not handled a sabre in so long, or perhaps my wrist and forearm muscles are out of shape. But it feels better each time I handle it! The sword fits snugly into scabbard and will not just all out even if held upside down.
WEIGHT: Weighed on old bathroom scales, so best I can tell: in its well made heavy scabbard; about 3 or 3.5lbs. Alone; abt 1+lbs or 2 lbs.
O.A. LENGTH: In scabbard, from tip of drag to end of pommel; 40 3/4". Just sword, straight from point to pommel, not following curve: 39 1/4'".
BLADE: Blade is superbly made, flexes nicely, with no discernable grind or file marks. Has what appears to be Klingenthal in script engraved on back of blade about ½” from guard.
LENGTH: Straight from point to guard, not following edge or curve; 33 5/8". Distance from back of center of blade to straight edge from point to guard above back of blade: 2".
THICKNESS: 5/16" at guard (including tang which runs through handle and is in shape of handle), 3½/16” in middle of blade, and narrowing to 3/16” at spot where it rapidly goes inward to form beginning of false edge, about 8 3/4" from point. False edge begins about 3/16" thick, 2 ½” in middle of false edge and goes to almost nothing at point. Sharp point too.
WIDTH: 1¼” at guard. 1 1/8” at center of blade. 1” about four” from point, then slopes on towards point.
P.O.B.: Abt 8 ¼” from guard.
“Sweet Spot”: I am not sure what you call this spot or how to describe it. But when I tapped the edge on something, the best feeling spot with least vibration or strange feeling was about 12” from point. Felt more like a solid hit.
FULLER: L: Beginning with squared end at ½” from guard to rounded end 7 ½” from point. W: 13/16” wide at center of blade, beginning at back of blade to 3/8” from edge all along.
HANDLE:
GUARD: Well made solid brass with no mold or grind marks. About 5” tip to tip. 2 3/8” from tip to tip on other points of guard which point along blade and into handle grip. The one into handle nicely inletted into wood of grip. Also, the blade side of the guard is inletted so that the mouth of the scabbard sort of fits into it. No rain or debris can hardly fall into it that way. I think it is neat.
Grip: Nicely finished oiled wood 1 ¼” wide at guard, 7/8” at narrowest part right before knobbed pommel with hole in it. The hole for lanyard or wrist strap is brass sleeved with ¼” hole. Three brass or copper rivets in handle. Handle thickness is right at 7/8” from guard to including pommel or end. This includes the 5/16” blade or tang which runs through handle to end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2008 2:44:44 GMT
Owning a real-deal would be cool for me. I was in the Marine Corps and our officer's sword is based on the Mameluke sword. Of course our NCO and Officer swords are merely show pieces since they are 420 steel, but a real version would be kinda cool.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2008 18:11:47 GMT
I emailed the site a while back and the steel they use is only medium-strength tool steel--durable but without good edge retention. I'd be interested in hearing how this sword cuts...I'm deciding between this one, or a Confederate saber, or a Revolutionary-era style saber. So far, this one's more expensive by 80 dollars than the Rev. War one, and by well over 100 for the CSA one. And those are high-carbon steels, 1050 or 1080 or something. But I like the style of this one more. I guess it'll all come down to how it turns out if one of you gentleman buys it and cuts with it!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2008 9:51:49 GMT
theres a bloke on ebay who sells these, artificially aged to look like the real thing. sad thing is the listings are private so i cant even warn the biiders. He does the same trick with alot of blades to get this sort of aged pitting effect..
seen people drop $700 on one of these....poor sods....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2008 18:11:26 GMT
check out this ebay item number...180227530307
see the resemblance??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 15:59:41 GMT
Yep, I regret getting rid of mine. I might see if they want to sell it back to me. Freebooter
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Post by stromloswordsusa on Nov 5, 2008 12:39:45 GMT
Hi everyone, As I have mentioned on other threads I am new in representing Weaponedge in USA and Australia. They have been building a website for me at www.weaponedge.com/stromlo which you can check out (use the top left tabs to select country for more pics & prices). I have talked to them on blades many times, and can order in a sharpened version if you would prefer. Steel used for my items has been requested to be closer to tempered 1050. I would have to order one in for you, but offer $20 off for prepaid orders, and an extra $10 off for SBG members making it $230. In addition if you order $350+ I will include FREE domestic shipping or discounted international. Many thanks, Rob
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2010 3:59:02 GMT
I tried to get it back from the friend I gave it to and she will not part with it. ONe of the few females I have ever known that loves guns and swords as much as us guys!
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