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Post by justin520 on Jan 7, 2014 5:46:23 GMT
generally using similar gear so I lumped em in. I wanna know about their two hander swords, there must've been some.
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Post by Ulrich on Jan 7, 2014 6:05:40 GMT
If it also can be arabic there are some two handed moorish swords.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jan 7, 2014 7:03:51 GMT
There are some Indian two-handers in Stone (fig 818) and in Egerton. First, there are the Assamese two-handers; some of these are only about katana-sized, rather than big two-handers. E.g., www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=3640Then there are Southern Indian two-handers, typically with balls on the grip. E.g., www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=4047Then there are two-handed khanda-hilted swords. Some of these are so big (like over 40" of blade) that they are probably intended for two-handed use. E.g., www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=439I have heard of Qajar two-handers, but have not seen any - these might be of less interest to you anyway, as they're not battle swords. I don't know of any other Persian two-handers. I don't know of any Turkish two-handers. The usual "Turkish" or "Arabic" two-handers one sees (as above) seem to be fantasy swords. (I'm interested in seeing any real antiques in these styles, so please post any!)
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Post by justin520 on Jan 10, 2014 7:40:12 GMT
The main reason I ask is because in a shastar vidiya video on youtube this man uses a katana/messer like weapon he refers to as a persian ox cutter. Seems like it may have been a sacrificial device. It appears to have a long shamshir type hilt with almost a hira zukuri profile and a fuller.
Also Timo that 2nd link took me to some photo portfolio but no swords
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 10, 2014 8:01:21 GMT
Ah, yes, Nidar Singh Nihang or some such. There was another thread a few months or so back (wait, weren't you also in it...or wasn't it you that started it? :? ) about the same video and sword. I even emailed the guy's website and never heard back. Nobody ever found out what it was supposed to be, and I've never found any other references to the thing anywhere. Closest I ever got was a huge kukri-like thing. Actually, something like these, I've seen referred to as "sossun patta" (which, apparently, means "ox cutter"): www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=3545 From what little I've seen, most combat in those areas seems to be geared to sword/other and shield, so most are single-handers. I've seen some lovely axes, maces, and spears, too, of varying shapes and sizes; some two-handed, most single. The firangi, like what Timo posted, have been the closest I've personally seen to a "two-handed" sword, and I'd consider that a bit of a stretch, albeit the intended function of the extended bit. Seems they were largely geared toward single-hand use, too.
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Post by justin520 on Jan 10, 2014 8:13:16 GMT
Yes yes it was Nidar Singhs. Closest thing I've seen are sword of Mehmed II sword reproductions.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jan 10, 2014 8:32:25 GMT
Sorry for the bad link it was cut-and-paste cruft. Should have been www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=4047 or similar. We discussed this "Persian ox cutter" sword a while ago, but it appears fictional: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=16260None of the good sources on Persian swords have anything like such a thing. E.g, www.amazon.com/Arms-Armor-Iran-B ... 3932942221 The big khanda-hilted swords (at least some are firangi, but perhaps some are Indian-made blades) are often similar in size to European longswords. I.e., perhaps 35-40" blades, and longsword-like weight (guessing here; I've seen few, if any, published weights, and I haven't measured mine). They feel like they benefit from a two-handed grip, but work with one-hand, like a typical European longsword. But perhaps they're more like European big one-handed cavalry swords of similar size and weight (of which we have Medieval to early modern examples).
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 10, 2014 8:40:10 GMT
Thanks for reminding me about that book, Timo; I've been planning to pick it up, along with a few others I've come across, but they're so bleeding expensive that I had given up and completely forgotten about them.
Time to bookmark, methinks...
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