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Post by greypilgrim on Oct 14, 2013 4:44:07 GMT
Hi. I'M Developing a new SCA persona as a 1520's ship's captain. (French from St Malo) I'll be fishing on the grand banks of Newfoundland and I need a sword. I've found lots of stuff on rapiers, but they develop later than this, and longswords seem later also. Maybe something in a cut and thrust type? This seems to be a time of transition from the medieval types to the renaissance styles, leaving me totally confused. Any ideas or suggestions are most welcome 'cause I've not a clue.
Thanks, Kenny
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Oct 14, 2013 9:39:02 GMT
Well, a longsword isn't out of question... maybe something with a renaissance touch, side rings for example. Or a medieval style longsword that may have been passed down to you from your father/grandfather.
Or you go with a cut and thrust single hander.
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Post by Luka on Oct 14, 2013 10:15:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 13:14:30 GMT
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Post by Luka on Oct 14, 2013 13:47:34 GMT
I don't think many of these swords were around in 1520. Some might, but many look too late to me. First quarter of the 16th century was still pretty simple regarding hilts...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 15:18:42 GMT
Hi Luka, Of course many of these suggested are later models but the idea is that the swords from the early 1500s were more and more modeled after the Spanish espada ropera and Italian sideswords that featured curved quillons, knuckle-guards, finger loops and ring ports. What sprung in mind was the type of swords carried by the conquistadors in Mexico in 1519 and in the Phillipines in 1521: they did not have longswords and two-handed swords. They were trained to use weapons that recall the Munich Cut and Thrust, Pilsen rapier and the Del Tins 5160, 2161 5164 and 5166 ( www.deltin.it/i5.htm). The sword of Francisco Pizzaro (1476-1541) In my opinion an elaborate cut-thrust with wide blade might do the work for a 1525 Navy captain. Some of the Del Tin and Windlass' line of Renaissance swords seem to be OK for the job, depending on the budget of course.
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Post by Luka on Oct 14, 2013 15:29:42 GMT
Just a bit off topic, but here are two threads mentioning naval use of two handed swords, one strictly about naval use was started by me, the other mentiones an episode of two Portugese soldiers fighting with two handers against pirates boarding their ship: www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic ... t=montante www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic ... t=montante
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Post by Rabel Dusk on Oct 14, 2013 15:31:44 GMT
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Post by greypilgrim on Oct 14, 2013 15:42:01 GMT
Two handers work for repelling boarders but are a bit cumbersome to carry around all day. The A&A serenissima looks about right to me, not too elaborate and wide enough to cut but above my budget. windlass Munich was one sword I thought of. Thanks for the ideas!
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Post by Rabel Dusk on Oct 14, 2013 17:13:47 GMT
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