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Post by Unit731 on Nov 28, 2013 22:07:46 GMT
What would one define as a "win"? Killing the other guy (even if one died in the process)? Coming out alive?
I have gotten in pickles, and have gotten out of them. They never have became a duel to the death, commonly depicted in movies. If someone really wanted to kill you, it would happen with you not knowing it. If he wanted to scare you, the chances are he is weak and needed leverage, and would run at the sight of equal competition. If he was attacking out of anger, all it takes is a much larger leverage to chase him away, such as a machete. No one in their right mind would take a knife to a machete. Not everyone is a samurai ready to die for honor. Some just fight for petty pride that they never truly had to begin with.
I sometimes hear ya guys say silly stuff like "against an experienced attacker" as if some sword collector is gonna have to deal with an assassin and go all Jason Statham on him. But in reality, these guys are usually cowards (brave people tend to use their hands, as they have confidence in themselves). A guy with a knife will NEVER think "I could totally get past that sword in his hands!". not even an experienced attacker would. Don't believe, go try it.
Would like to point out if anyone like that exists, the chances are they are in jail.
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Post by justin520 on Nov 28, 2013 22:42:10 GMT
While I'll say it can be done, it's dumb as all get out. I got a good one using my hands on a dude, guess he was better. I'll always reiterate, melee weapons scare me the most. They ain't got clips to run out of.
Though I'll point out to the unit there, you'd be surprised how many serious tough guys never get put away.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2013 23:34:26 GMT
Coming out intact, absolutely. I mean, it makes sense, no? Somebody wants to hurt me, and I don't want to be hurt. So logically, if he doesn't manage to hurt me, I win! And if I manage not to hurt him too badly in the process, I win even more!
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Post by Unit731 on Nov 29, 2013 1:09:28 GMT
MOK: My post wasn't really directed at you. But others, as I wanted to know what may qualify. I haven't killed a man, but like you, I have gotten out alive which I consider a victory as well.
Justin: I guess it depends on the geography, mostly. Or the affiliation. I would never want to get in a tussle with the hells angels, but I doubt anyone would have to worry about something like that. The average mugger is a more likely antagonist.
If anyone is ever in the place to have to worry about someone experienced, then I suggest buying a gun and getting a safer life style. If guys are raiding your house, then maybe a knife isn't the best defense.
(I don't expect anyone to take me seriously, with my avatar picture tastes and all, but take it as you want. I lived in a rough neighborhood previously and my friends were in deep semprini at the time. Drugs are crazy.)
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Post by MOK on Nov 29, 2013 10:54:02 GMT
Yeah, I know. Just my take on it. Personally, I can't really see a situation where killing someone could be considered a victory condition in its own right. Even going to war, a wounded enemy is by far preferable to a dead enemy for any number of reasons. Hah! It's not like the rest of us can claim to be any more tacticoolly credible, in that regard...
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Post by Unit731 on Nov 29, 2013 16:51:10 GMT
Thanks for the consideration. Some people don't take me seriously at all, some take me too seriously. I suppose it comes down to whether a person finds another's opinion beneficial to what they have going on in their own head or not.
I agree with the way you see it. I also think if the guy runs, best victory ever . No one was hurt and you stood your ground. Good enough by my books. Having semprini like court get between me and the beer I was taking home to sip on would be such a hassle.
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Post by sweetcostarica on Nov 29, 2013 19:28:58 GMT
Everyones views and concerns should be taken into consideration as long as they are real. Even a joke can be wise and have hidden truth like what I wrote earlier about running.
Some people think running away from a dangerous attack to your person is cowardice. Maybe some folks that run are cowards. But taking a life even in self-defence is a life changing event and you will suffer as with the family of the bad guy you ended.
In my way of thinking you're more of a man (generally speaking) if you try to create room from the danger and if that doesn't work have your self-defense tool (gun, pepper spray, walking cane, knife, learned Martial Arts technique, etc.) ready to use.
Running away from a stronger foe or life threatening attack is an old, old technique for protecting yourself. So I think it is the best technique in "a real Knife attack". If you can't run because your older, disabled, out of room, or something you should have an equalizer of your choice with you (as stated in the above paragraph).
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Post by Unit731 on Nov 29, 2013 21:40:39 GMT
I agree with that all. I would rather not use a knife, if I can get away with it. Who needs blades when you got bludgeons? To me, a coward is someone who tries be tough but flees at the first sight of danger. I mean, flee if someone attacks you, but if you are attacking and then you flee because they are prepared, to me, you are a coward (not you, obviously, but it is meant in reference to the knife attacker. I doubt anyone on this forum would do something like that, but that is outta good faith).
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Post by Talon on Nov 29, 2013 22:47:35 GMT
He who runs away learns to run another day .In my misspent youth I was always up for a good old set too.With hindsight I think I was extremely foolish and could have been seriously hurt or killed on a number of drunken occasions(Newcastle in the early 90's was interesting to say the least). I'm very glad I got through with nothing more than the occasional black eye and loss of face. Now that I'm older walking away from a possible altercation makes a lot more sense and the damage to my honour is less of a concern.With age comes maturity.I always hope though that I will stand my ground if I believe it strongly enough. (Hard to gauge since early nights and the Discovery Channel have taken over my life) My macho testosterone fuelled days are long behind me .And I'm very glad of that,now where's my comfy slippers
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Post by ph00se on Dec 4, 2013 20:12:17 GMT
Ahhhh, the comfort of good old Homies.....
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Post by Timberwolf on Dec 6, 2013 8:48:19 GMT
Right on. Some good thoughts, guys. I actually thought this thread would die off, but it seems that a lot of us have this stuff on our minds, have experienced it, or at least have considered it. The bottom line here is really situational awareness, being in the Jeff Cooper "Condition Yellow" all the time and ready to go to Orange, Red, or even Black. (Black isn't really in the original hierarchy, but it's a logical development of it. Basically, "I'm gonna kill everyone in sight, shoot until they either change shape or catch on fire!" Not recommended, it causes premature gray hair.) :twisted: Once again, to everyone saying to be elsewhere in a hurry? Probably the best suggestion. But if you have to open fire, don't hang out and wait for the JBTs, just shoot and scoot, then never tell ANYONE about it. That's not legal advice, just common sense.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Dec 6, 2013 8:52:50 GMT
Shoot and scoot is the worst advice I've ever heard. If you are in the right contact the police, if you don't you could end up being a guess of the state for many years. Who ever calls 911 first will be the most believeable.
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Post by Timberwolf on Dec 6, 2013 9:01:05 GMT
Sorry, partner. Call 911 and they will most likely beat you or even kill you. They will damned sure kidnap you for at least a few hours and steal your weapon. The pigs are your enemy, and will make your life a living hell, whether you were right or wrong. You are much better off just fading into the scenery. It's really hard to put a ghost in prison.
The only "police" involved should be you, policing up your brass before hauling ass.
Haven't you heard? Officer Friendly left the building a LONG time ago.
Of course, if you still live in Mayberry, you might be OK, there must be a few real cops left somewhere. Maybe ... :roll:
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Dec 6, 2013 9:27:14 GMT
I'm still in the builbing, don't live anywhere near mayberry. Just hope the people on here have enough sense not to listen to you on this one.
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Post by William Swiger on Dec 6, 2013 9:29:28 GMT
Seriously - We keep coming up with all these possible "what would you do in a this situation". Some comments are interesting and some are way out there. Some just makes you shake your head.
This thread has run its course.
Locked.
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