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Post by Timberwolf on Sept 8, 2013 7:38:36 GMT
After several of us went over this stuff in some of the more recent threads here, I hope I'm not draggin' that ol' horse carcass out again. I think the members here understand reality and we agree that thinking a person can go blade on blade, or even worse, that an unarmed someone can pull some kung-foolishness or whatever and disarm or defeat a knife attack? Well, that will probably be the last mistake they make. Anyways, some moron got into it with me over this, and I just couldn't convince him that he was literally dead wrong jus' waitin' ta happen. Yeah, he's a "martial artist" of some sort. :roll: Bottom line? I sent him this link of what we here in NM call a "Santa Fe Style Shanking", in dubious honor of our infamous "Worst Prison Riot in US History", at the State Pen back in 1980. He didn't have much to say after that. I know we get a LOT of lurkers, and I think that 11 second video will eliminate the stupid notions some of them might have. Check out the rest of this "bae313" guy's stuff, he demonstrates ways to avoid getting killed, but he makes it clear that common sense and preparation/mindset far outweigh some choreographed dojo maneuvers. He also knows all about Marc MacYoung at www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifefighting.html , and endorses everything written there, as he should. Don't get me wrong, there's some martial arts stuff that is good to know, but MOST of it should be reserved for fancy moves on the dance floor. I learned a LOT of that stuff long ago. Been there, done that. I won't go into the videos a certain someone has posted on their site where they do some silly maneuvers with a style of knife I really like, aside from saying that fool will get you killed as well. :evil: Now, go forth and live to be an old, cantankerous a-hole like me. Or be a nice old man. Either way, just stay on this side of the dirt. :lol:
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Post by Sir Thorfinn on Sept 8, 2013 14:23:13 GMT
+1
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Post by Novice_Surgery on Sept 8, 2013 15:12:05 GMT
Well I had a rough childhood in a very rough neighborhood, like a 14 year olds have guns type of neighborhood, and ive been attacked with a knife before, even been shot at before too. The one thing I can say that saved my life when I was attacked was my own pocket knife; which only came out in time because it was assisted open. I took a nice gash on the top of my left hand from the encounter, but managed to scare the guy off. Im nothing special, I just grew up in a place where a junkie would kill you for the 5 dollars you have. Im a firm believer that everyone should carry a good pocket knife on them everywhere, all the time; because it can and will save your life.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 2:41:08 GMT
Yes. I have faced a ten inch chef's knife wielded by a seven footer, point to belly. He really was seething and intent. Basically pointing out the consequences, agreeing the blade would go right through me and calling him an idiot for pulling the stunt made the "fight" last less than 30 seconds. What had prompted all this? Flicking soup at each other at a friend's dinner table. Ten years and a lifetime later, the fellow still saying I had a lot of balls.
A couple of gun "fights" have gone in a similar direction.
First steel to flesh? Yes I got the guy in the shoulder 1959. The first move and surprise works wonders.
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Post by Valandur on Sept 14, 2013 4:30:46 GMT
Yep, I never leave home without a knife . I'll grab a pistol to bring along if I'm going someplace I figure I might have a reason to be concerned for my safety. I just don't understand how people can have no weapons. I guess it's just imprinted in my mind because the majority of people I know "don't even think" about their ability to defend themselves, or a way to let them get out of a bad situation.
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Post by jlwilliams on Sept 15, 2013 17:41:04 GMT
The "perfect technique" trumps ____________ myth is persistent.
Many years ago, in a dojo not all that far away, my sinsei came back from a weekend seminar full of the greatest knife disarms known to man or beast. We had a fun class. Afterwards (in private) I voiced my doubts. Not really doubts. More like "this crap won't work, it will get you killed". He assured me that the kung fu was indeed number one. Allrighty then. Next class I brought side walk chalk. Nice fat pieces of red (and blue) chalk, that I offered we use as attack weapons. Just in case someone might get 'cut' doing one of these almighty knife take-aways. Didn't take long to clearly demonstrate that not only were people getting cut across the wrists almost every time, but if you (as the 'attacker') didn't follow the attacker's script you will indeed gut and cut the hell out of someone just exactly like the video the OP posted. Later, we tried 'blade on blade' with the chalks too. If you focus on killing the other guy and not on 'defending yourself' you may well kill him before he kills you. Anything less than total focus on mayhem is the sort of half measure that gets you killed.
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Post by MOK on Nov 5, 2013 11:47:28 GMT
Well, of course an unarmed victim is at a big disadvantage. That's the whole point of using weapons. But, just as obviously, an attacker isn't going to stop just because it's not a fair match! You still have to deal with the situation as best you can, with or without weapons (and, it must be said, apart from the intimidation value a knife of your own does jack semprini in the way of defense, contrary to common belief) and practice can help you not panic and freeze like the guy in the video. That's the most important thing, really, not freezing - fight or flee, but don't freeze. Hesitation kills.
I mean, sure, I've still got a series of tiny little almost invisible scars on the heel of my palm from a broken bottle that one time, but at least they're not in my face...
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Post by sweetcostarica on Nov 7, 2013 23:29:36 GMT
I lived in Japan and studied Judo and did some body building for strength and health. I have had trouble with the Yakuza (I really did) and when I was younger I had altercations with your everyday bully. I will now demonstrate how you can defend against a "real" knife attack. Showing how wrong this post is even though Timberwolf's heart is in the right place. A Martial Arts teacher taught this to my friend and my friend taught me in two (2) steps. Step 1. Starting with the right leg you lift it up and pivot away from the attacker. Them push off with that same leg. Step 2. Now with the left leg you lift it up and then down pushing your body away from the attack. Repeat steps 1 & 2 until you are far away and the attack is over :mrgreen: . See the video below for research on this very effective defense.
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Post by MOK on Nov 8, 2013 19:50:45 GMT
Also nicely demonstrated in a practical scenario in this video from Žehart...
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Post by sweetcostarica on Nov 8, 2013 21:56:21 GMT
Very nice : ) MOK.
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Post by Nilfgaardian on Nov 9, 2013 10:46:29 GMT
:lol: .
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Post by michael_nguyen on Nov 27, 2013 12:38:41 GMT
Well if you had a tactical flash light and blinded the aggressor then you'd easily make it out alive. Day time alternative is to carry sand/dirt in your pocket ready to throw and for ladies they can follow up with a kick in the groin!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 13:17:17 GMT
Theres some nice Krav Maga stuff on this, but even their teachers say that these techniques are the very very last resort if you cant run, or if its your job to defend someone no matter what.
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Post by Timberwolf on Nov 27, 2013 19:54:41 GMT
Black Bear, I totally agree, and that was the point of my original post. No matter how good your training, you can become an unfortunate piece of gutter blockage with one wildly lucky stroke of your opponent's blade. I challenge anyone who "thinks" that they can win a face-to-face knife fight to say that they are doing anything more than hoping that their guts, luck, and the Good Will of the Lord will prevail in their favor. :roll: Skill has its place, but at that range, Stuff Happens. And fools go where Angels fear to tread.
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Post by Nilfgaardian on Nov 27, 2013 23:18:39 GMT
The whole quote system can get a little confusing at times :lol: :oops: .
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Post by Timberwolf on Nov 28, 2013 6:16:26 GMT
Aw, hell with it. Once again, people, don't fall for any BS from the fools who want to teach you to "knife fight". Unless you're really good and extremely lucky, they will only teach you how to become a human fountain. Although that stuff might improve your dancing style. YMMV. :lol: (Oh, now I have an awful visual of someone dancing very badly ... )
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2013 14:36:16 GMT
Dude, calm down, it's just a common typo. You're not being maliciously defamed or something.
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Post by sweetcostarica on Nov 28, 2013 17:42:53 GMT
I think MOK is right. Nilfgaardian just made a common mistake. I've seen his other posts and it isn't his style to joke around that way.
No harm done.
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Post by justin520 on Nov 28, 2013 18:42:03 GMT
If it's really that serious then I'm gonna misquote both ya using 1990's adam sandler dialogue.
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Post by MOK on Nov 28, 2013 19:59:01 GMT
As if a fight involving any other kind of weapons was any different.
For that matter, I have won a face-to-face knife fight. Two if you count broken bottles. Although, to be honest, both times one of us had no blade of any kind and the other was drunk enough to start a knife fight in the first place, so I guess neither was exactly a fair match in any regard... and I didn't actually mean to break the one guy's arm, I just did a textbook standing arm bar and he resisted more than I was used to in class... that ended the "fight" in under five seconds, sure, but without witnesses it could've gotten me in trouble. And I only really used any kind of even vaguely knife specific defense against the bottle-wielding guy and got my hand a little cut in the process, so take from that what you will...
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