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Post by justin520 on Sept 2, 2013 20:29:46 GMT
I've been searching a lot for one that is traditionally peened, all I see are pommels with a nut. I'd love to get a good peened jian that doesn't break bank.
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Post by ineffableone on Sept 2, 2013 21:47:11 GMT
I think Jin Shi sells a peend jian for around $300ish, depending on what sort of custom features you get.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Sept 2, 2013 23:34:24 GMT
What price range are you looking at? At the cheaper end, I'd recommend 2-nut assembly (which is the most common on reasonable quality cheap jian), with pin or rivet through the grip.
The reason being that then you can remove the pommel and the 2nd nut holding the grip on, and check what sins have been committed in the making of the grip. Then, if there is too much space between tang and grip, fill with epoxy, put the 2nd nut back on, put the pommel back on, and if you want a peen rather than a nut at the very end, then peen the pommel on.
Sometimes the fake antique jian on ebay are peened, but being unable to disassemble to check the quality is an even bigger drawback than with a sword from a reputable maker/seller.
One can also get an antique. Short jian can sometimes be found quite cheap.
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Post by justin520 on Sept 3, 2013 0:17:27 GMT
I would go relatively high end because I know the problems production Chinese swords have.
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Post by ineffableone on Sept 3, 2013 0:39:14 GMT
Visit www.jin-shi.com/index.html I think you will like what you see there. oops I just noticed, they are not taking anymore orders right now. If you can wait, I would say Jin Shi is worth it. But I can understand you might not want to wait months for them to start taking orders, then more months to actually get your sword made and shipped, so you might check with www.sinosword.com/ They have a pretty good reputation. |
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Post by justin520 on Sept 3, 2013 2:20:38 GMT
Yeah I was really looking at jin shi for a good jian but that held me right up. Sino swords does great kat work but from looking over reviews of their it seems like it has all the same typical production jian problems, nut pommel, too much space inside of the hilt.
It makes me so sad the Chinese sword market isn't better.
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Post by ineffableone on Sept 3, 2013 2:25:32 GMT
I know, I have been saying the same thing. There are so many great Chinese style swords, but it is hard to find good ones. Most you find are just cheap crap, or worse expensive crap. When you narrow the Chinese sword market down to just functional swords, there is only a handful of options left. :cry:
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Post by justin520 on Sept 3, 2013 2:30:48 GMT
Really the south east Asian blade market in general, Japan gets all the love. No Taiwanese, Chinese, Ainu, Ryukyuan, or any other number of cultures swords.
Edit*
Seriously though, who is producing high quality Chinese swords? With Jin Shi out of the market for a bit I've given consideration to enlightenment swords, but I have no idea if they peen their jian.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Sept 3, 2013 3:34:58 GMT
"Fewer", not "no". Apart from Chinese swords, one can get Taiwanese swords of good quality (as well as tourist tat). If you mean SE Asian as you wrote, then there are plenty of good Malay/Indonesian/Philippine swords available.
Hanwei does some good ones. Huanuo does lots of good ones (and they make (or made) the Cold Steel ones). Enlightenment Swords does good ones. Zhisword does some good ones. Dynasty Forge does some good ones.
You should ask them. At least some of their jian have pommel nuts, but at least some of their dao are peened.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Sept 3, 2013 3:49:31 GMT
Too much space inside the grip core is a problem.
Nut assembly, done properly, is not a problem. It might not be to your taste, and it is not as historical, but it can be perfectly functional. The whole hilt held on by the tiny little pommel nut - that's bad. But that's not how the functional ones are put together. Those have a little nut holding the pommel on, while a much more substantial nut and washer holds the grip and guard on. Ideally, the grip is pinned/rivetted as well (and usually is on good swords).
Poor weight, poor balance, soft edges, edges too thin - I'd call those much worse problems than a pommel nut.
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Post by justin520 on Sept 3, 2013 4:08:58 GMT
Very true Timmo, historic accuracy is big on the scale for myself though.
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Post by Taran on Sept 3, 2013 12:50:55 GMT
That is just the one model of Han Jian that has those problems. If you stay away from that one model, the Chen Ying Jian, you will find much better grip construction, including pinning.
As for peens, you'd want to specifically request that on a jian. They do it on all their daos, but jians vary.
edit: the above post is about sinosword.
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Post by Aidenknives on Oct 29, 2013 21:17:11 GMT
I currently have a solid Huawei jian. All the fittings are brass and it's gorgeous. I would say one step below a Jin shi. I don't experience any of the problems that most people say they have with Jians.
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