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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 2:27:59 GMT
???I need some help designing a shield with a way to fix a sword and sheath in to the shield and still have it look good and function well thanx rick
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 2:42:35 GMT
You mean something that will hold a sword and scabbard for display? Or have I misunderstood your intention here? Why do you need it to hold a scabbard?
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 2:48:44 GMT
I want a functional shield that will hold a sword and look cool as well
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 3:22:59 GMT
What kind of sword? Why do you want this? The reason for the second question is the same as when people ask for baldrics. A shield is a defensive object. You are going to expose your hand and arm trying to grab said sword. Most likely your shield will have to leave whatever defensive position it is in to be able to clear the sword from its holder. Just something to think about.
If it is for a Ren-fair type thing (aka. I know it wouldnt have worked but want it anyway), I would think looking at enarmes from 11-12th century swords would work. They had a decently complex strapping arrangement to allow different grips. Switch straps for buckles and you are good. Essentially design your shield, and then mount something akin to a Ren-fest frog onto the back. If you wanted to go with a crescent cutout on the top so the sword showed through, that mgiht work too. Harder to make room for your arm that way though.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 3:51:59 GMT
I want it cause done right it looks realy cool ..... and not just the standard sheild shape some thing cool looking
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 4:09:36 GMT
What are you considering the "standard" sheild shape? I am guessing something akin to a heater? Try looking at Gaul/Celtic shields. They had roughly oval shaped shields, with U cut out of the top and bottom. Alternatively, a Moorish Argada would look cool and have that nice V shape at the top for a sword (picture something akin to two overlapping circles()() together, or later period, something more heart-shaped).
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Post by rammstein on Jan 29, 2008 4:11:59 GMT
May be worth that a typical 11th c. shield was an entirely different beast than a later 12th c. one.
The first was flat enough to be said to be used as a table while the latter was drastically curved in shape, enough to hide behind it and be vrtiually protected on three sides.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 4:25:42 GMT
it doesn't need to be remotely historic just really cool looking
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 5:08:34 GMT
Heaters Kites Oval Rectangular Round/Wankel
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 5:13:25 GMT
How about the elven shields from LoTR?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 5:27:19 GMT
The Eleven shield seems to be a hybrid of #6 and #13.
I fight with #11. You basically turn the top corner up to block your head and drop the bottom corner to block your leg. There is a longer more narrow version of #13 that is considered a kite. It gives better low leg protection but can be a hindrance if you have to climb over stuff to fight. That one you just move side to side.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 6:04:34 GMT
yeah some thing like the elf sheild only more cofin shaped
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 6:11:20 GMT
go for number 10 that tsafa posted, that is exactly coffin shaped
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 6:23:49 GMT
yea but a little plain
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 6:25:11 GMT
Coffin was one of my first choices in making a shield. Makes sense to make a shield that fits your bodyshape. Also if you loose a fight, you don't have to pay extra for a lid on your casket.
The drawback is, Coffins tend to be heaviest because they are usually the biggest. Then again, you can do what the Romans did, set the bottom edge on the ground, squat down and fight behind it.
Generally, the bigger your shield is, the more you will want to conserve energy and make minimal movements with it. You fight around your shield.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 15:25:35 GMT
Shields are more showy depending on the paintjob vs the standard shape. I have seen cr*ppy shields of all shapes, and amazing ones of all shapes too. Just go way over the top, and it will do wonders for the "cool" factor of the shield.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 29, 2008 16:15:57 GMT
I suck at drawing shields
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 17:40:34 GMT
That is what friends are for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 17:41:27 GMT
One of the starting points to consider when making a shield is: how heavy do you want it to be. A heater the covers you from neck to groin will be about 8 to 10 lbs depending on the material. It feels like 30 lbs after 5 minutes if you don't know how to hold it and move it efficiently.
If you want to move your shield-arm all over the place, get a 3 lb buckler. A small round shield weights about 4 to 5 lbs and you must be somewhat conservative in your movements too. A smaller shield will give you added visibility and range of motion. That is off-set by having to commit your sword more to sword-blocking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2008 18:03:25 GMT
I believe he is not going to use this for combat purposes, but simply to have around for showing off.
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