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Post by justin520 on Jul 9, 2013 10:41:26 GMT
I can seem to find anywhere to get one. Links please?
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Jul 9, 2013 12:11:38 GMT
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Post by ghost on Jul 9, 2013 14:07:40 GMT
They show up every now and then on gun broker for astronomical prices. I saw them go for 4k-7k+ about a month ago. Try the Chiappa Rhinos out ~ I think they're pretty cool, but they're not tech a semi like the Mateba. Rhinos only come in .357 I believe. www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =352766183
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Post by Sam H on Jul 10, 2013 22:36:19 GMT
Have fun forking out tons of money for an answer to a problem that never existed.
If you want a fast shooting revolver get a well built double action revolver of your choice - I'm partial to Rugers but S&W and Colts are great revolvers too. Then go have a gunsmith lighten the trigger and polish everything to a mirror finish. What you'll have is a revolver that feels more like shooting a semi-auto pistol. In the end you'll still end up spending a lot less money than what you would spend on a Mateba.
The problem with a Mateba is that it still has the one major problem in ALL revolvers - you still have to load the cylinder. This has been greatly mitigated with speed loader clips and with practice you can load and shoot a revolver as quickly or quicker than most people shoot semi-autos (google Jerry Miculek). Personally the appeal of a revolver for me is the fact that there AREN'T as many points for failure to occur as there are in semi-autos and as such in my mind are more reliable. I carry a 1911 variant but now and then I'll have a Ruger LCR as a backup (.357mag 5-shot pocket revolver).
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 11, 2013 0:21:24 GMT
Revolvers like the mateba are designed to give the light trigger pull of a semi auto in a revolver. It is more reliable than a semi. It can't stovepipe and could fire more powerful cartridges. The 6 o'clock firing reduces muzzle rise and felt recoil over standard revolvers. A lot of these weird guns were designed to get around laws. That could be the case with the mateba. That being said, the rhino is so much cheaper, and, if it breaks, you'll actually be able to get parts. www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=351145565Edit: the rhino now comes in .40s&w, 9x19, and 9x21, in addition to the original .357 caliber.
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Post by Sam H on Jul 11, 2013 1:50:27 GMT
The Matebas were chambered in .357mag and .44mag. As for the ones chambered in .357mag, they can load either the .357mag load or they can load .38spl loads but the .38spl won't make the Mateba cycle like a semi-auto thereby making it basically a normal (albeit very expensive) revolver. Of course they made extra springs for this but then the .357mag is over powered for those springs and could cause damage to the firearm if those springs are installed and shooting .357mag.
As for being more powerful cartridges the .44mag and .357mag are definitely more powerful cartridges than what most semi-autos would shoot but .38spl cartridges are less powerful than the standard 9mm Luger round. I wouldn't consider that a more powerful cartridge. Consider the fact that you can get 10mm semi-autos for less than $1000 (most of them being either SA or DA/SA) and the 10mm has about the same ballistics as a .41mag the point of shooting a more powerful cartridge is moot (and I haven't even taken into consideration guns like the Desert Eagle chambered in .357mag, .44mag or .50AE or even the Auto Mag pistol chambered in either .357mag or .44mag).
As I stated in my first post though you could buy yourself a well made revolver and pay a gunsmith to lighten (and also shorten a bit) the trigger pull so that it would be light and easy. After all of that you'd still have paid much much less for that than what you would pay for a Mateba of any model. As for recoil - well I never thought of a .357mag or .44mag having a ton of recoil anyway when shot out of a well made revolver (.454 Cas, 500SW Mag and .460 Rigby are what I'd consider harder recoiling cartridges - in that order).
By the way all of these guns I've mentioned so far STILL cost a lot less than the Mateba.
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 11, 2013 2:12:42 GMT
A little side note. The guy who designed the Mateba also helped design the rhino. Unless you're just a huge GITS fan, and you want togusa's gun (which looks more like the 5" rhino IMO), An auto would serve you better and be cheaper. The Mateba is a complicated Gun that you can't get parts for.
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Post by Sam H on Jul 11, 2013 2:22:11 GMT
Wait - all this talk about the Mateba and its because of Ghost in the Shell? Oi... :roll:
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 11, 2013 2:27:37 GMT
Could be, Sam. Togusa carried a mateba with what looked like a 5" barrel. Maybe that's why he wants one. I know I'm liking the idea of a rhino in .40s&w.
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Post by Valandur on Jul 11, 2013 2:42:46 GMT
Interesting revolver. I wonder how it handles? Anyone here ever shot with one?
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Post by Sam H on Jul 11, 2013 2:48:43 GMT
The Chiappa Rhino is a decent handling revolver. I fired a few rounds through one that was at the range while I happened to be there to shoot. Interesting feel to it but in the end I figured I didn't like it quite as much as a Ruger Super Redhawk. Recoil on the Rhino was more of a straight push but then recoil in the Ruger SRH was actually less than in the Rhino and I liked the feel of the Ruger more.
I've never shot a Mateba so I can only speak based on what I've gleaned from the internet (gun forums and my own research). Perhaps its got an amazingly sweet trigger - perhaps it handles like the holy grail of handguns. Then perhaps not. At that price point though I doubt I'll come across one any time soon to try it out.
EDIT: The Rhino btw didn't appeal much to my sense of taste... believe it or not I felt it had too much of an anime-ish feel to it. That was another reason why I liked the Ruger SRH more.
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 11, 2013 2:54:04 GMT
All accounts of the rhino's handling say that muzzle rise is almost nonexistent, which, according to the manufacturer, was the purpose of the design. The design does have one slight drawback. Because the sights are further from the barrel, you have the same problem as AR15 sights. If you zero the gun at 25 yards, it will shoot several inches low at 10. It is a bit lighter than a super redhawk. Darnit, my Christmas list got longer. .40 s&w with moon clips. Ooh baby!
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Post by Sam H on Jul 11, 2013 5:17:55 GMT
There was still some muzzle rise but not as much as with a traditional revolver. The difference though wasn't enough to overcome the aesthetic issues I had with it and the Ruger SRH being a heavier gun actually had LESS felt recoil than the Rhino now that I think about it. It had more muzzle rise but less perceived recoil. Side by side both were fairly easy to control in rapid fire with both a 2 handed grip and a single handed grip although in a single handed grip the weight of the SRH made it more difficult to stay steady while aiming due to shaking hands after a bit.
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Post by ghost on Jul 11, 2013 5:39:51 GMT
Matebas & Rhinos do look pretty cool.
I got really curious about it after I saw the newer "Total Recall." I was seriously considering one until I saw how many mechanisms were down in the grip. :shock:
How'd that Rhino grip feel Sam? Doesn't look so comfy ~
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 11, 2013 5:46:59 GMT
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Post by Striderfly on Jul 11, 2013 16:04:28 GMT
I've also been very curious about the Rhino. I'm assuming the purpose of the design was for recoil management. And that strange handle with the Japanese flair was surprisingly comfortable to hold, though it might be different when shooting the gun. Anyone shot these?
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Post by justin520 on Jul 11, 2013 16:14:46 GMT
More like Vash the stampede, good guess though lol. No really I'm just interested in a high caliber revolver with little muzzle flip. Taurus judges are kind of an unwieldy weapon for a tiny person like myself lol.
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 11, 2013 18:02:40 GMT
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Post by justin520 on Jul 11, 2013 18:22:29 GMT
Grip and weight are fine, it just kicks hard.
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Post by Onimusha on Jul 11, 2013 18:32:44 GMT
There's this. www.coonaninc.com/products.php/pistol/cPath,5 Then there's the good ol' desert eagle. If you find one in .41 magnum, they usually go for less than the other models. Big guns are going to kick. You get used to them. The first time I fired a .44 magnum, it nearly hit me in the forehead. I can shoot them with one hand now. As you practice, you'll learn to manage recoil. Your other option is to have the barrel ported. That will take away most of the recoil. The tradeoff is that it makes the gun louder, a lot louder.
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