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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2008 23:56:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 0:44:37 GMT
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Post by brotherbanzai on Mar 6, 2008 19:00:35 GMT
Does this help any? the text in the corner says something like "After the Mordstreich, strike again and wrench"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2008 22:33:32 GMT
The translation of the text is very interesting.
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Post by chakobsa on Jul 12, 2008 11:38:29 GMT
When Talhoffer mentions the 'murder stroke', it is a very specific thing he describes. It is indeed the use of the crossguard as a pick or hammer against your opponent. He is also specific about similar illustrations being a 'hooking' movement. I am not aware that Talhoffer has any text. Are you sure its Talhoffer. Do you have a link? My understanding is Talhoffer issued individual images as an advertisement to get people into his school. His images were not for the purpose of teaching as with Ringeck. This may explain why Talhoffer's images include more elaborate maneuvers and weapons. Just speculating so don't nail me to any cross for this one. My copy (Greenhill books edition translated and edited by Mark Rector) has the original Swabian text at the back of the book. I think that the murder stroke is only viable if you find that both you and your opponent are at the halfsword. I'ts a simple matter to quickly shift your grip from the hilt to the forte of the blade whilst forcing the debole downwards with a wrenching movement either to hook or strike with the cross. At this distance the strike would come as a nasty surprise to the unwary and I'm not sure that it would be all that easy to counter at halfsword distance. IMHO attempting the murder stroke at long range against a swordsman would be risky at best.
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