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Jun 1, 2013 1:09:58 GMT
Post by LastGodslayer on Jun 1, 2013 1:09:58 GMT
Hum... Ima post this here since I think it has the best chance of gettin answered.
Can this really be a D2 steel blade? It has a hamon. They also call it D6 later on. Just checking to see if these guys are just pulling my leg.
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Jun 1, 2013 1:40:31 GMT
Post by chrisperoni on Jun 1, 2013 1:40:31 GMT
link?
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Jun 1, 2013 1:50:43 GMT
Post by Student of Sword on Jun 1, 2013 1:50:43 GMT
I am not a metallurgist so take my answer with a grain of salt. However, it is very unlikely. D-2 is a deep hardening tool steel, semi stainless as well. Of course, for the longest time, people said you cannot put a hamon on an L-6 blade. Then Howard Clark proved them wrong.
PS: If the steel is foreign, it may not be designated with the same symbol as AISI and maybe a different steel all together.
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Jun 1, 2013 14:34:52 GMT
Post by LastGodslayer on Jun 1, 2013 14:34:52 GMT
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Taran
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Jun 1, 2013 20:46:55 GMT
Post by Taran on Jun 1, 2013 20:46:55 GMT
Off Ronin Katana's facebook page.
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Jun 1, 2013 21:44:56 GMT
Post by Timo Nieminen on Jun 1, 2013 21:44:56 GMT
The chances of it being either D2 or D6 are remote. More likely something in the 1060 to 1095 range. Assuming it's a real hamon.
Not that you'd want it to be D2 or D6 anyway. I would not trust a D2 or D6 from somebody who did not have a proven reputation of making successful swords using such steels. D2 is 1.5% carbon, D6 2% carbon, and unless heat-treating is done just right, they'll be far too brittle. The 440 stainless steels (if properly heat treated) are tougher (i.e., less brittle) sword steels, and you will find no shortage of people saying they are far too brittle.
Swords have been successfully made using steels with carbon in the 1.5% and 2% range (one sees historical wootz blades in this range); Western opinion in 19th century books is usually that such swords are inferior to Western swords since they are too brittle. Sometimes such swords were not even quenched - one way to avoid excess brittleness!
(I think 440A is an OK sword steel, which will give you the hardness of spring-tempered 1060 combined with the brittleness of 1095. Which means it's inferior to both unless you place high value on corrosion resistance. But since 1060 is considered hard enough, and 1095 is considered tough enough, 440A can be hard and tough enough.)
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Jun 2, 2013 0:54:03 GMT
Post by pinoyHerbalist on Jun 2, 2013 0:54:03 GMT
D2 is ok for short blades like knives (my EDC is a short D2 blade, been through many years of proper and improper use :-) ). But the brittleness of D2 might be worrisome in a sword...
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Jun 2, 2013 6:11:32 GMT
Post by Librabys on Jun 2, 2013 6:11:32 GMT
What about Jin-shi? They use T10...
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Jun 2, 2013 11:08:42 GMT
Post by jlwilliams on Jun 2, 2013 11:08:42 GMT
It's possible but unlikely that the sword is D2.
D2 is not really a good forging steel. You have to be really careful not to over heat it. It is really best as a tool and die steel where you machine it, grind and polish then heat treat it. Makes wonderful tools. As a knife steel it's pretty darned good. Not all D2 knives are created equal, there are a few heat treating variables. A treatment that yields a superior die isn't the best for a blade. That said, a well ground, appropriately heat treated D2 knife will perform well for a lifetime (or more).
A few years ago I did some experiments with hamon on D2 and A2. I ground the blades and used heat blocking paste (the stuff you get from welding supply places) It kind of worked. I got hard edges and soft spines and a line that you could see in perfect light if you looked for it. It was worth a try, but not a complete success.
I'll guess that the sword in the OP isn't really D2. Possible, but probably not.
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Jun 2, 2013 13:17:06 GMT
Post by Taran on Jun 2, 2013 13:17:06 GMT
From what Ronin Katana is telling us, unless Jin-Shi is shipping T10 stock to China, what they are actually using is relatively random steel.
"1045, 1060, and 1095 are pretty straight forward, but T-10 is a bit of a mystery, so I'll do my best to explain it. T-10 is a buzz word steel used by Chinese ebayers. Yep, it really is that simple. Its a construction steel left over from large scale building projects. No one buying it, or using it, knows exactly what it is. They certainly can't pick it up and say what the carbon content is. It comes in on a truck, and gets stacked up in the T-10 stack. That's the stack that isn't 1045, 1060, or 1095. If it isn't one of those three, it goes in the "T-10" stack."
That will apply to any Chinese swordsmith, including Sinoswords. Hanwei may be different being as they are large enough and rich enough to be different, but, by and large, the above is how it is.
Some swordsmiths in China will smelt their own steel for particular projects, however. Sinoswords is one of those for their tamahagane and other such, but you pay a LOT more for it. And, again, you really don't know what you're getting for all that extra money. You just have to trust that they know what they're doing.
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Jun 2, 2013 17:43:42 GMT
Post by Librabys on Jun 2, 2013 17:43:42 GMT
That's horrible... if they don't know what it is, they can't temper it properly!
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Jun 2, 2013 19:25:44 GMT
Post by Taran on Jun 2, 2013 19:25:44 GMT
Well, several of them are getting excellent reviews. Including Jin-Shi and sinoswords for their "T-10" swords. My guess would be that the smiths have been handling this metal enough to know it. A common effect of the "Learn by doing" school. You know what you're handling when you handle it, but you can't tell what it is otherwise.
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