Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier?

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Frothbyte
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Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier? Mar 8, 2013 5:32:40 GMT

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Post by Frothbyte on Mar 8, 2013 5:32:40 GMT

So I was planning to get a custom built hilt design like the Schiavona in this picture:

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and have it mounted on a Darkwood rapier practice blade and use it for rapier sparring and tournaments. The question is, will this Schiavona designed hilt work for the rapier? Does it offer the same guard capabilities and advantages of other rapier hilts/guards?

I am currently using a 6-ring rapier (3 rings per side) and I was wondering how the performance of a Schiavona-like hilt will compare to the 6-ring.

As to why I want to have a custom made rapier this way, well, I was planning to give it as a gift and wanted it to be unique.

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Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier? Mar 8, 2013 5:45:50 GMT

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Post by Razor on Mar 8, 2013 5:45:50 GMT

Yep, I don't see why it wouldn't work. To me, it looks more like a rapier guard than the schiavona that I am used to seeing.
A schiavona is an Italian basket hilt sword.
www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_schia.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiavona

The guard you showed would be good for a side-sword and a rapier. I like the looks of it and would be happy to have it for my training rapier.

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Frothbyte
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Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier? Mar 8, 2013 8:16:44 GMT

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Post by Frothbyte on Mar 8, 2013 8:16:44 GMT

Thanks Razor. That's good to know. I was planning to give this to my wife and wanted to make it unique compared to the other rapiers we use in our HEMA class. But I also wanted to make sure it was functional. Don't want to have a pretty rapier that doesn't guard and deflect properly. =)

Anders Member Posts: 1,487	Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier? Mar 8, 2013 18:33:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Anders on Mar 8, 2013 18:33:50 GMT Yeah, that looks more like some kind of schiavona/rapier hybrid. That said, I would really like to see a rapier with an actual schiavona hilt.
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Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier? Mar 8, 2013 19:30:32 GMT

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Post by Elheru Aran on Mar 8, 2013 19:30:32 GMT

There were in fact a number of schiavona-inspired hilts on rapiers; Oakeshott illustrates one in his European Weapons and Armour. Kind of more flimsy looking than the one you have here, though.

For a proper full schiavona hilt on a rapier, I think you'd want a fairly wide-bladed rapier... otherwise it's gonna look like a pin stuck through a melon

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Anders Member Posts: 1,487	Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier? Mar 10, 2013 12:34:32 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Anders on Mar 10, 2013 12:34:32 GMT I dunno about that. Looking at schiavone and rapiers side by side, the schiavona hilts really don't look much larger:
	"Hear me, men. For reasons of good form, I have decided that the so-called Pan will return in three days to commit the arbitrament of the sword. Smee, translate." "In three days, we're gonna have a war! A battle between good and evil to the death!" -Hook, 1991

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Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier? Mar 10, 2013 20:46:49 GMT

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Post by Rabel Dusk on Mar 10, 2013 20:46:49 GMT

That sword is made by Danelli Armoury in Italy. I find the hilt very attractive. It gives you the feeling of a schiavona without encasing your hand in a heavy metal cage.

I wonder, is that hilt a direct re-creation of a XVIth century original, or inspired by something?

I think you could go fairly slender on a blade for that hilt, but would stop short of a musketeer or even a schlager blade.

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Can a Schiavona hilt work on a rapier?

Post by Frothbyte on Mar 8, 2013 5:32:40 GMT

Post by Razor on Mar 8, 2013 5:45:50 GMT

Post by Frothbyte on Mar 8, 2013 8:16:44 GMT

Post by Anders on Mar 8, 2013 18:33:50 GMT

Post by Elheru Aran on Mar 8, 2013 19:30:32 GMT

Post by Anders on Mar 10, 2013 12:34:32 GMT

Post by Rabel Dusk on Mar 10, 2013 20:46:49 GMT

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