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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2008 3:55:27 GMT
I'm on the verge of buying gen2's "river witham" sword. its made of 5160 steel,and as a heat treater by trade i know is an excellent sword steel. my question/worry is this; can any one attest that they are heat treated and tempered RIGHT! i just dont want my first sword purchase and foray into this hobby to be a bust.thank you very kindly!
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Mar 3, 2008 5:08:36 GMT
I think you'd have to say no, being that you are a pro heat treater. They are done over coals which I think is pretty hit and miss over 40" compared to using a furnace. I'm assuming you use a furnace?
Having said that I have a G2 Celtic Anthro which is fantastic, though I had a bit of bad luck with one of their long blades.
The problem is what to buy under $300? *Darksword need 5 hours spent sharpening them. *Windlass have thin whippy blades with wierd coatings which go mad if you try to re-heat treat them. (let me know if you want to see pics) *Valiant armoury are usually bunky and blocky and built like tanks. *Hanwei had welded tangs and hollow pommels which they are slowly phazing out - if you can get a guaranteed new gen Hanwei with a peened solid pommel - go for it.
It seems they are slowly getting their act together, I'd personally wait for one of these new basic line Valiant Armoury models to come out. Or get a base model Albion or Atrim.
Or you can do what I did, and learn to make your own...
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Mar 3, 2008 5:13:10 GMT
my gen2 lucrne is tempered just right nice and srong with just the right flex to it ...... no complaints here bro
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2008 5:18:14 GMT
I have to disagree about the feeling that the Gen 2 swords are not heat treated well enough to meet the needs of the standard sword practitioner.
There may have been some problems in the past, but out of the latest batch there have been zero complaints that I know of.
Also, there is the Gen 2 warranty to protect the buyer. Something not given by many other sub $300 sword manufacturers. One last thing to note is though suggesting waiting for the new Valiant line; you have to remember that they are well out of the sub $300 mark running near the $500 mark.
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Mar 3, 2008 5:47:56 GMT
I have to disagree about the feeling that the Gen 2 swords are not heat treated well enough to meet the needs of the standard sword practitioner. There is enough empirical evidence that I can't rightly disagree with that. But thats not what I meant; My comments were driven by my understanding of "RIGHT!" coming from a professional heat treater. They are done over coals and I've learned first hand how hard it is to get a perfect spread of heat over 40". I've tried it twice - once it worked "well enough to meet the needs of the standard sword practitioner", once it failed so I got it done at the furnace. The furnace never fails. Here Here. Thank God for Clyde looking after his homies. Thats probably the main reason to buy one. That and that they come SHARP! That and of course AoV's customising options. And customer service. To quote Paul Southren:
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Mar 3, 2008 7:29:22 GMT
I trust gen2 cause the swords are strong and when I ordered my bwt kat from Clyde he went above and beyond to make sure I got a good one went through 3 first was warped second one got lost by the shiping company "dhl" and the third was just right ....... kinnda goldie llocks of swords lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2008 19:03:39 GMT
While I have heard of issues with the longer blades, my experiences with Gen2 have been nothing but positive. My Witham River sword is tempered beautifully, and has absorbed several full power botched cuts without taking a set, chipping, or bending. I am not a professional heat treater, but, for what its worth, I trust the company. Plus, I think its a lot cooler that they treat them the old-fashioned way.
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