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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2008 16:25:49 GMT
Hello again everyone, Im still on the hunt for my new sword. I have my eye on the paul chen antiqued BS but im not sure if i want one that huge. So my question is, Whats the best battle ready bastard sword that can be had for $200-250. Im looking for something that will hold up to cutting without getting all sloppy and falling apart. Im into medieval style archery/hunting and do not carry any guns when doing so, so the sword would also be acting as a means of protection if ever needed. Wild hogs can rip you a new one and i'd much rather have a sword at my side than a small knife or dagger if i ever crossed paths with one. That said, any and all that read this i thank you for your time and input.
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Post by rammstein on Feb 23, 2008 16:47:47 GMT
Swordsalot, while I would have a few recommendations for a sword, I noticed you plan to be using this against hogs, which is not recommended. In the middle ages/renaissance, special boar swords were designed because normal swords enabled the boar to gord himself up on them, but slide down the blade and kill the wielder. Obviously that's not an ideal situation for defending yourself . The special boar swords were thrusting swords with a set of gaurds near the tip of the blade to prevent the boar from sliding down. These were always (I think) two handed weapons and generally weighed a bit more than average. I'd recommend something like a boar spear (cold steel makes a great one) as these a much better at defending against a boar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2008 19:27:49 GMT
Hello rammstien, I would much rather avoid hogs than have to fight one off. I cant really use a spear cause i have to carry my bow when hunting. I just figured a sword would give you a better fighting chance than a knife or dagger would if ever i crossed paths with an agressive one. Not to mention i'v wanted a bastard style sword for quite a while. I know that its not really a choice weapon if you had a razor back trying to rip you apart but like i said i'd much rather have a blade with some reach than a small knife or dagger. (edit) Also i wanted to post this so you could see its possible these guys hunt bores with just knives and short swords www.a-wild-boar-hog-hunting-florida-guide-service.com/sword-hunting.htm
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 23, 2008 20:08:51 GMT
Swordsalot, the best bastard type sword I have in that price range is the Hanwei Hand and a Half. This is closer to my understanding of what a "bastard sword" is. It is also quite pointy for sticking in hogs tho did need some work on the edge to make it sharp enough for cutting bottles. That said I think any longer sword would be combersome when hunting. I'd go with a gladius type sword for personal protection in that situation, if I wasn't carrying a firearem.
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Post by rammstein on Feb 23, 2008 21:11:56 GMT
Because safety is a concern here, I'm going to sort of have to urge you to go a bit higher in your limit.
But if you had to have a sword, long hefty and pointy are words you're looking for. Something light may be fast, but it might lack power and could be swatted aside easier. If you're familiar with the oakeshott typology discount anything before type XVa as cutting is hardly something you want against a charging boar who could easily take 10-20 heavy hits before going down. Personally, I feel that the XVa category is lacking as well as they don't have the thicker cross sections of some other types. Types XVIII and XXa (the latter being my personal choice in this circumstance) both are relatively thick meaning it would be harding for a boar to run itself up the blade and are the best thrusters out there. Some larger ones can be more than hefty enough. I feel the XXa is the best choice because it has a reinforced tip meaning that it would be even harder for the boar to hit you.
Unfortunately, I don't know of a type XXa in this price range, but I know know of a few XVIIIs. Perhaps the erbach sword from windlass?
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Post by YlliwCir on Feb 23, 2008 21:24:10 GMT
Point taken, Rammy. I was just choosing from what I have handled myself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 0:38:14 GMT
Sword vs boar seems like a BAD idea to me. I mean honestly, we had enough problems when there was a group of us and we all had boar spears. Even then one of us nearly died to the charging boar. If given NO other option, I would definately not do so using a sub 300 sword...much less a bastard sword. I would go with a full blown two hander if I HAD to choose a sword and since this is my life on the line, I'm spending the extra money to get a decent one.
Oh and a spear isn't that cumbersum to carry strapped to your backpack unless your going into some seriously overgrown areas.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 2:20:16 GMT
Swordsalot, while I would have a few recommendations for a sword, I noticed you plan to be using this against hogs, which is not recommended. In the middle ages/renaissance, special boar swords were designed because normal swords enabled the boar to gord himself up on them, but slide down the blade and kill the wielder. Obviously that's not an ideal situation for defending yourself . The special boar swords were thrusting swords with a set of gaurds near the tip of the blade to prevent the boar from sliding down. These were always (I think) two handed weapons and generally weighed a bit more than average. I'd recommend something like a boar spear (cold steel makes a great one) as these a much better at defending against a boar. swordsalot: if you are in Chicago and have a chance to visit the art insitute, you can get a look at a nice example of the type of sword Rammstein is talking about. for a boar fighting tool, you are best off with a spear of some sort, also spears are sometimes cheaper than swords so you don't have to worry as much about damaging it, also if the pole breaks you can just replace it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 4:22:46 GMT
Perhaps the erbach sword from windlass? No. Having been one of the people who handled one recently at the MRL showroom, the blade is far too whippy to stop a huge boar from running down you. If neccesary, have a second guy along with two spears, and a gun. Bowhunt all you want, but have a few backup options.
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Post by rammstein on Feb 24, 2008 4:26:35 GMT
Interesting. With a raised cross section, I'd have expected better, but it is rather typical of windlass ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 15:07:22 GMT
Ramm, I am looking at it from the viewpoint of a 300lb boar running at you. I described the Erbach as springy, rather than whippy, but given the option of that vs. a Darksword, something tells me I would want the extra weight in this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 16:56:00 GMT
id suggest a spear and yes cold steel makes a great one
and its about 68$ shipped also i agree have other back up options
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 17:32:28 GMT
The Flamberge by Windlass is a nice looking sword, but AoV stopped carrying it because it was so whippy.
That was a good idea to recommend something like that though as the additional blade protrusions would help slow the boar down.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Feb 24, 2008 17:38:45 GMT
gen2 has some very nice blades for that price and my lucrne sword has some real power behind it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 22:41:31 GMT
There is a big chance that any sub 300 sword will bend under the boar's weight and you are done. I think the minimum would be Cold Steel great two handed sword which has hooks above the ricasso...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2008 23:11:57 GMT
yeah that would work
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2008 0:58:39 GMT
For protection against a wild boar, forget the sword. They're really not practical in the woods anyway. Get yourself a good tomahawk, with a hammer or spike on the back. You can get a good one for under $100.
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Post by ShooterMike on Feb 25, 2008 2:11:01 GMT
WARNING: Graphic Content.
Swordsalot,
This advice is offered to help you actually succeed. As such, it isn't idle speculation, but based on actual experience. To anyone who doesn't like the topic, please don't read further.
Since you stated you're primary hunting weapon is the bow-n-arrow, I'd go with a medium-heavy cutting blade with at least a decent point for thrusting in a pinch. Single hand or hand-n-a-half will work. The single-hander will be more convenient and be less likely to get in your way during the hunt. The hand-n-a-half will give you more powerful cuts, but at the price of getting in the way a lot more. It's your choice.
Your most likely need will be to finish a downed animal in a humane fashion. That will likely mean a thrust through the ribs or shoulder to reach the heart. But it's also likely that you'll reach a wounded hog that is still up and moving, though very slowly, otherwise you'll never catch him.
The only way you are likely to catch up to him is after he's bled out enough to be extremely weakened. What you will need is enough cutting power to sever the spine in a heavy downward cut, landed just behind the shoulders. If he's still moving fast enough you have to run to catch up, hit any part of the spine you can. That will help anchor him for the follow up blows, then a final thrust through the heart.
The easiest way to reach the heart is with a thrust from a rearward quartering angle, with the point entering just behind the ribs or between the short ribs. The tip shoud angle toward the front of the offside shoulder. This will allow you to hopefully sever the heart or the aorta. That leads to a quick and relatively painless death.
Once the point has penetrated deeply, lever it up and down quickly to open the wound and allow air to escape the lungs. This helps collapse the lungs. If you're successful with this, the hog will appear to become very groggy and just "go to sleep."
As for using a sword to stop a charge... It's rare, but it happens with wounded boar. They usually aren't really trying to catch you and kill you. The intent is to scare you so they can escape, and simultaneously get some payback with the tusks.
I have been charged with intent only once, by a very large boar. He was wounded and about to die, but he came on like a freight train. Trying to stop that with a sword thrust is a good way to loose your sword and possibly your life.
The better alternative is to use the same moves as a bull fighter. Move at 90 degrees to the hog's line of travel while delivering a fierce downward cut to the neck or shoulder blade. And keep moving after you hit him. If he is stunned by the blow, hit him as hard and as many times as you can, attempting to sever the spine. Then follow up as previously stated.
BE WARNED. This is not for the faint of heart. You will likely be injured doing this. Possibly injured severely or even killed. So know what you're getting into before deciding on this course of action.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Feb 25, 2008 2:28:37 GMT
yes what shooter said any animal is very dangerus when wounded and hoggs are mean as hell at the best of times
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2008 17:54:39 GMT
Are you dealing with feral pigs or wild boar? Different animals entirely.
If the said animal will indeed "rip you a new one", maybe even killing you, why do you consider your life to be "sub-$300"?
I'd bring a .45.
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