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Post by bigpete on Feb 12, 2013 6:39:12 GMT
Ok this is really only for the australian members basically if you could choose 3 firearms to have when the SHTF what would you have? 2 parts to this question really,A: What would you choose out of what you already have,and B: what would you like to have? Only one catch you have to abide by our firearms laws,so basically no machine guns or semi autos. I'll let pistols in coz its not that ridculously nhard to get a pistol license, For me part A: my IAC 87 lever action 12 guage,obviously if SHTF I'd chop the barrel down to the end of the mag and cut the stock off,in my mind a shotgun is for extremely close range shooting so tha wouldn't worry me My REm model 7 .308 with 10 round AI mag and 16" barrel and 3-8x40 scope,can take anything out to around 400m with a fair amount of accuracy (a sniper rifle it ain't) and has a fair bit of fire power without being to heavy My missus' Erma lever action 22 reasonably accurate light 15 round mag quick reload and greta for putting meat on the table,or if she won't let me have it,my Brno model 2 with 5,10 and 15 round mags and a 14" barrel Part B: Still my IAC 87 but with an extended mag A Rem 7615 pump with a couple of high capacity mags,tactical stock and forend,a 1-4x30 scope and a torch attached,I'd like to have 2 barrels for it one in .223 and one in .300 Blackout,but I'd settle for .223 A FNH FP Tactical .45 with 16 round mags,I don't know a lot about pistols but from what I've seen of these they're right up my alley as a SHTF gun,but I'd be really happy with just a Glock 9mm
So how about the rst of us Aussies?
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Post by Paul on Feb 12, 2013 9:59:06 GMT
Hi, I haven’t posted in a while but ill have a go. For shtf, I think long term, easy light carry, availability, reliable and low maintenance. From what I have; 1) Bolt Action, CZ 452 .22 with 3-9 x 30 rimfire scope. Tried and true reliable action, accurate and ammunition is plentiful, cheap, ammo light to carry and not overly noisy. 2) Bolt Action, Browning Abolt .223 with 4-12 x 50 scope. Again tried and true action, accurate, plentiful ammunition, cheap for a centre fire, ammo lighter to carry than larger rounds and I think enough power for what you would really need. 3) A spare of either of the above From what I don’t have……. Better quality of the above. In the shtf scenario I’d steer away from more complicated actions and bulky heavy ammunition. Handguns would be handy but in Australia, it’s a long, ongoing pain in the butt licensing process, just not worth the hassle in my opinion.
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Post by madmandom on Feb 14, 2013 8:46:54 GMT
Like you put it a shotty but i would have to go with a.break action reliable something like a winchester 101 the older ones and instead of 308 i couldnt go past and old smelly 303 10 shot mag and stripper clips for fast reloads and plenty of ammo and knock down ability
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Feb 14, 2013 9:45:44 GMT
Ok, practical time - .22 bolt action, Bruno/earlier CZ/Browning couple of spare mags, fixed power either x4 or x6, forget the .303 ammo is almost unobtainable TODAY, let alone after TSHTF, centre fire bolt, older Browning, Winchester or Remington cal .243 - why .243? ammo is already plentiful, .308/7.62 nato cases can be simply necked down to .243. fixed power scope either x8 or x10 plus double barrel coach gun from the 70's the Russian Baikal will go 200 years with a wipe over + oily rag.
With a little care all of these will be going 2 or 3 generations down the track.
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Post by bigpete on Feb 16, 2013 10:40:45 GMT
With all respect I definatley wouldn't go with a 243,some of what you say is true but I believe personally that you'd really want to stick with military ammo simply coz of availability,but this is meant to a personal choice thread so I'm not picking a fight just putting a point across.I thought about an old smelly but as was said ammo isn't exactly prolific although you certainly can't argue with the effectiveness of the rifle itself.I guess it sort of boils down a little as to whether you think along purely self defense lines or as an all rounder? I guess my first post sort of leans heavily towards defence.I'll chuck in an idea as a fairly all round gun; a lever action chambered for either 44mag or 357 mag,what do you guys reckon? Pros,its light short easy to carry fast reload accurate enough over the range of the cartridge has a relatively high capacity mag the rounds would be relatively common and the cartridges would be powerful enough on 90% of australian game if you were careful with shot placement,plus either cartridge can be easily loaded with shot for close range small game/birds. Cons; limited range and possibly a less robust action post SHTF than a bolt gun
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Post by KentsOkay on Feb 16, 2013 17:07:20 GMT
I've seen some pretty bad-ass Remingon pump-action rifles in 308. If I couldn't have a semi, that's probably the route I would go.
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Post by madmandom on Feb 16, 2013 23:40:25 GMT
I think big pete is onto something 44 mag lever sction with back up pistol was good enough for the days of survival of the fittest in the ol west dont have to carry different ammo either .
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Post by birdman on Mar 4, 2013 16:34:06 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe pumps are banned in Oz...
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Post by ShooterMike on Mar 5, 2013 19:08:27 GMT
I believe my answer to "what you have" and "what you'd want" might be pretty much the same. If in Australia, I would like to select a lever action carbine and double action revolver in the same caliber. Probably my modified Marlin 1895 and S&W Model 29 in .44 Magnum. The ammo would be mostly moderately hot loaded .44 Special with a smaller cache of full power .44 Magnum. The magnum ammo would mostly be for the rifle when longer range targets need to be addressed.
The second choice would be a lever action carbine and revolver in .357 Magnum. Lots of .357 Magnum ammo and even more .38 Special. Mine consist of a 1970s vintage Rossi M92 Puma and either a S&W Model 28 or 686, each with 4" barrel.
In addition, probably my Winchester 9422 rifle in .22 LR. Ammo would be a lot of CCI Stingers and even more Winchester Power-Point. I love that load. More power than most any other .22 LR ammo available, and with full weight 38 grain bullets.
If allowed a 2nd centerfire rifle, I think it would be my Scout rifle in .30-06. Based on a WWII K98 Mauser, mine was built using an XS Sight Systems scout kit. It is fed from Mauser 5 rd stripper clips.
These choices are the result of a self-imposed ban on anything semi-auto or pump action. And I really like all these firearms, so it's a fun exercise for me.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Mar 6, 2013 1:55:46 GMT
The 30-06 is a good choice also, it is the base cartridge to the 25-06 and the 270 Win. In a SHTF situation handloading becomes mandatory, in the case of the .243 and the 7mm-08 the parent case is the .308/7.62
If we were in America the choice would revolve around the .223/5.56 and the 308/7.62 however in Aussie there is far more surplus 7.62x39 Chinese than anything else.
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Post by KentsOkay on Mar 6, 2013 5:47:21 GMT
I would have thought .303 was the favored round across the lands of the Empire.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Mar 6, 2013 8:45:30 GMT
Only if you begin that with "Once upon a time" Today .303 British unprimed brass is over $1 per case.
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Post by birdman on Mar 9, 2013 2:09:17 GMT
WOW! And here I remember buying my 1918 SMLE #1 MKIII* for $99 US back in the early 1990's, and 100 rounds of unprimed brass for $20!
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Post by KentsOkay on Mar 12, 2013 4:20:50 GMT
Welp, there goes the thought of living in the mountains of New Zealand with just a SMLE, a wonderful local girl, and a sheep dog for company, fighting off zombies and mutant Moas.
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Post by bigpete on Mar 12, 2013 4:54:14 GMT
I hate to say it Birdman but yes you are wrong its only pump action shotguns and semiauto pretty well everything thats banned inOz.Also heaps of surplus 7.62x39? I've personally never even seen it for sale down here in SA but I'm sure its there,there does however seem a predominence of 223 ammo available as well as heaps of 308.Yeah unfortunately 303 is pretty hard to come by these days which is a pity I personally love the old smelly. As for reloading SHTF? Maybe you coulf if you had time in which case any case in a common calibre is the best,but really,are you going to find ammo and powder readily for for your favorite 9.3x62 chambered rifle? Or your 338/378 weatherby? Probably not.In some ways an old flintlock may be the best in some scenarios
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