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jcbarnett
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The 2 Kindjal Dilemna Jan 15, 2013 14:22:42 GMT

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Post by jcbarnett on Jan 15, 2013 14:22:42 GMT

I have two Kindjals. One is a Russian "Trooper" Kindjal from 1916 with the Zlatoust armory stamp, serial number, and two proof stamps, an A with what appears to be a crown above and another A to the right.

The other is what appears to be of Caucasian origin with niello silver fittings and scabbard, an HA silver hallmark, but no arsenal stamp. What is interesting is that it also has the same proof marks as the "Trooper", an A with crown (?) above and another A.

The blade and fittings on the Caucasian kindjal are clearly much older than the 1916 "Trooper" but since they both have the same proofs - could the older one have received the stamp as an indication of military service? In other words - was the Caucasian Kindjal "drafted" into the Russian Army possibly? Any comments would be welcome.

Trooper Kindjal

Caucasian Kindjal

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Uhlan Member Posts: 3,121	The 2 Kindjal Dilemna Jan 15, 2013 17:35:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Uhlan on Jan 15, 2013 17:35:42 GMT Could not the silver one be an officers private weapon? In the west an officer bought his own stuff and that got (proof)marked. So, I say yes, the more because it is indicated all of this took place before the revolution of 1917.

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The 2 Kindjal Dilemna Jan 16, 2013 2:21:58 GMT

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Post by jcbarnett on Jan 16, 2013 2:21:58 GMT

I suppose you could be right - and it makes sense. An officer might want to carry his grandfathers Kindjal with him into battle and it may have been a requirement that all weapons had to be inspected as battleworthy or not - hence the proof mark. Good comment. Thanks!

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Kilted Cossack Member Posts: 1,113	The 2 Kindjal Dilemna Jan 16, 2013 2:43:20 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Kilted Cossack on Jan 16, 2013 2:43:20 GMT I can't help, except to say "Nice kindjals!"
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Uhlan Member Posts: 3,121	The 2 Kindjal Dilemna Jan 16, 2013 16:44:47 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Uhlan on Jan 16, 2013 16:44:47 GMT They sure are!

K. Vander Linde
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The 2 Kindjal Dilemna Jan 16, 2013 18:08:55 GMT

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Post by K. Vander Linde on Jan 16, 2013 18:08:55 GMT

Nice! The Caucasian Kindjal could have used in the army, from what I know the "A" crowned was a mark used to mark that the weapon was in storage before war in Russian occupied Bulgaria, the uncrowned one meant that it saw active service. As for the Caucasian blade I haven’t seen one like that in a long time NEVER SELL IT. Very few still make them like that.
As how the make ended up on such an OLD blade, I’d have to agree with the officer theory.

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The 2 Kindjal Dilemna

Post by jcbarnett on Jan 15, 2013 14:22:42 GMT

Post by Uhlan on Jan 15, 2013 17:35:42 GMT

Post by jcbarnett on Jan 16, 2013 2:21:58 GMT

Post by Kilted Cossack on Jan 16, 2013 2:43:20 GMT

Post by Uhlan on Jan 16, 2013 16:44:47 GMT

Post by K. Vander Linde on Jan 16, 2013 18:08:55 GMT

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