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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 2:58:40 GMT
hey i was just wondering Ive heard that the grosse messer handles like a katana but i would think it would be the same style as a longsword or something right?
(And yes i know im obsessed with the grosse messer ;D)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2007 6:50:47 GMT
I would use the Grosse Messer the same as a sword. I occasionally substitute a singlehanded axe for a sword. It is slower but all of the strikes work. I rest it on my shoulder every chance I can when I am out of range. The messer has no back edge, but I wouldn't care, it is still a good smashing surface. I use the back of my axe as a hammer.
If I go with no shield, I would use the Messer as a longsword. Again its slower, but works. I have experimented fighting with a two-handed axe. The guards, the masterstrikes, the winds, can all be made to work.
The categories to me are: Shield and Weapon Two handed Weapon Two Weapon missile Weapon
Weapons within the same categories can be used in a similar way. Some weapons favor certain techniques over others within categories.
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Post by rammstein on Dec 31, 2007 13:59:31 GMT
You know tsafa, the more I rea dyou posts, the more I think you need to switch from swords to something like mauls or warhammers ;D ;D ;D grosse messer handles like a grosse messer. It's a completely different sword type than anything. It's like asking "what does this armin sword handle like?" or "what does this katana handle like?" It's got it's own perks to it that make it totally unique in use and handling. but of course the ruthless smashing barbarian above me wouldn't know that (All in jest, tsafa )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 9:54:41 GMT
The should be used the same way as a dusack. I've only done a lttle so cant go into much detail but there is a section on the dusack in Meyers book.
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Post by ShooterMike on Jan 18, 2008 18:58:21 GMT
The Cold Steel Grosse Messer handles most like a Type XIIa or XIIIa Great Sword. It's long with a lot of blade presence. And the grip is almost long enough for three hands. Single hander techniques like dussack drills won't be very successful with a Grosse Messer unless you're about 8 feet tall.
Rammy's right. It's kind of a unique weapon. But I think there are some two-handed messer drills in one of the German manuals, though I can't remember which one. If I remember correctly (very questionable) the drills seemed to be very similar to early longsword drills, except all techniques using the false edge were deleted. The emphasis was on the more powerful reaching blows, and on retreating slices.
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Jan 18, 2008 19:18:17 GMT
I could see useing katana drill with a sword like that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2008 7:32:18 GMT
True uchi-gatana techniques are very finesseful, just more finesse with the upper arm, and not strictly the elbow and wrist. I do believe that many katana balanced between 3.75 and 4.5. Katana possess distal taper much the same way a sabre does, in my experience, and I've handled a few antique nihonto.
Oh, and if Grosse Messer=Axe..........then use it in the opposite hand as the opponent you're facing and wear your shield on your back. Just like a viking! I saw a painting depicting a warrior attacking another warriors arm by striking at a right handed opponent with his left hand leading on the axe haft, and his right hand following (near the butt end). Seemed like a good idea.
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Post by kurokaze on May 18, 2008 1:30:16 GMT
The Cold Steel Grosses Messer is actually larger than any historical messer would actually be. In old manuscripts (of which some are published; I have a couple of prints in a book about German longsword) messers are used similarly to a sabre in one hand. The other is held behind the back like in foil fencing, but he body faces forward like sabre and in kenjutsu. Some styles of messer called langes messer were used in two hands, but I've never seen any manuals of how to use one
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