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Post by KentsOkay on Jan 6, 2013 3:31:50 GMT
Buying a 1911 in 9mm is just silly, because you should be buying a Browning Hi-Power instead. Or, you know, the plethora of other pistols that work in 9mm.
I wouldn't consider 45acp anyhting to be a hand cannon. Hot 357 magnum, 44magnum, 10mm Auto, 460 Rowland, that's the stuff of hand cannonery.
Don't rule out other quality AR makes such as BCM, PSA, Noveske, Spikes... the list goes on and on. AR's are a wee scarce, as is pretty much everything that takes mags and goes bang.
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 6, 2013 9:45:27 GMT
from the chart i read Colt and BCM are the top 2 so it will have to be one of them. Browning hi power it is i didn't know of any other non syn guns im 9mm. also replacing imacasa with the Condor viking machete. I suppose all thats left is doing someting like completing the set and getting a woodsmith to make me a walnut handle for a M9 or Vietnam era bayonet.
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 6, 2013 10:20:20 GMT
yeah scratch that the viking is made of stainless. I'll get some Winkler knives. anyone know of any non synthetic AR bayonets?
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Post by KentsOkay on Jan 6, 2013 14:27:53 GMT
Honestly dude you may be better off buying BCM parts and building your own rifle, with the wood stock/handguard/grip: ironwooddesigns.com/IWDAR15.htmlI built m AR and I'm glad I did. Also, there are a metric ton of non synthetic 9mm handguns, but I must ask, what is wrong with polymer guns? Your gun doesn't have to be a hunk of steel to be reliable or durable. Honestly, cheap polymer guns are probably more durable than cheap metal guns. The best non-Browning metal handguns are going to be anything Sig Sauer (in my book).
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Post by Sam H on Jan 6, 2013 17:17:22 GMT
You want to know what's the best in the world of ARs... look up Knight's Armaments.
Aside from that a 1911 in 9mm is almost sacrilegious. As Kent said get a Browning Hi-Power or a good Sig. A Sig 2022 is a very good 9mm handgun for the money (less money than most Glocks) and have a good reputation for reliability and accuracy.
Don't buy a Colt - right now people are charging crazy prices for ARs and especially colts. There's some arse hole in my area that is advertising "preban" Colt ARs for $4000+. That's just stupid.
Wait till the gun scare is over and go pick up a RRA for around $1200. RRA is a good manufacturer and puts out some nice rifles. BCM makes a really good rifle but they're a touch pricey. Sig also makes a really good AR but they're also really pricey. If you have the money to spend though really you should look into Knight's Armaments.
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 6, 2013 19:20:58 GMT
I decided one day rhat to separate myself from the mall ninjas i would hold two things above all else Class and Practicality. Further more i have distain for Katana and AK series rifles because of said mall ninja affections for such things. My original plan was to take a M1A Scout II and convert it into a bullpup, then i got a hold of one of my granddaddy's shotguns and discovered how cheap they were. I already knew that the Saiga12 out guns all other shotguns in everything but ammo cap. and thats how i got here. Mall Ninji love the AR15 so if i have to get one it has to have walnut furniture and a old fashioned hunting scope. they also love the 50 Cal revolvers so i have to think of the more practical 9mm pistol. Also if and plan im hatching works i'll be relying on ZT for my knife and machet needs.
What were you asking about again?
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Post by Sam H on Jan 6, 2013 22:22:24 GMT
There's a huge difference between mall ninjas and people who actually know something about guns.
Its true mall ninjas love AKs, ARs, katanas etc. but well just having them doesn't make you a mall ninja.
There will be the guys you can clearly tell are mall ninjas and the guys you can tell aren't - and they're all carrying ARs and/or AKs.
Now if you want to be labeled a mall ninja go and get yourself a KSG. Then you'll be a mall ninja who spent a semprini ton of money on a half-ass combat shotgun that will never see combat.
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Post by slav on Jan 6, 2013 23:25:22 GMT
You honestly sound just like a mall ninja trying desperately not to look like a mall ninja.
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Post by KentsOkay on Jan 7, 2013 5:03:40 GMT
This. A hipster mall ninja. Honestly dude, bullpupping a M1A is the most non classy, totally mall ninja thing you could do to a M14 pattern rifle. All bullpups are inherently mall ninja, except for the RFB. The RFB is cast from an alloy of pure malice, badassery, the sweat of Master Chief (extracted from his Mjoliner suit), and glass fiber.
You are mad if you spend that much on a basic rifle when you can build one for less. Some prefer to buy something ready to rock and roll out of the box, and this is acceptable (but I wouldn't do it for $1200 unless it waxes my car and feeds the kids), but why on earth do that? Be more familiar with the platform, and get a sense of accomplishment. It's (slightly) more expensive Lego, not heavy metal engineering.
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 7, 2013 9:03:40 GMT
Before you start talking about putting a gun together from parts i think you should at least tell in detail what kind of experience (and how much) it would take to do that. all of the guns i've used we're single shot 20 guage shotguns, which i haven't used since i was 15.
also not a mall ninja. i dont post pics and vids of me posing in all black with tacticool weapons. Also whats with all the Halo and Warhammer 40k references? we've already been past the whole using overpriced modular combat weapons being stupid thing. also considering a m1a SOCOM II is supposed to be a CIVILIAN rifle it's just asking for bullpuping.
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Post by KentsOkay on Jan 7, 2013 15:54:03 GMT
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Post by oolong dao on Jan 7, 2013 17:18:57 GMT
thank you.
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Post by Sam H on Jan 7, 2013 22:03:39 GMT
Not everyone has the time or the inclination to build their own AR. I have built my own now but my first AR was a commercially built AR. Sometimes going all hard core about building your own AR can turn people off of the platform entirely. As for the money aspect the OP was talking about two guns that were considerably more expensive than a RRA Operator's AR. I figured if he was going to spend the money buying either of those he could easily afford an RRA AR as a first tactical rifle.
Now about .22lr adapters - I don't like them. The rifling in the barrel is meant for a heavier and longer bullet and it was also meant for a larger bullet (diameter of the .223 is actually .224 while the .22 is .22). As such you don't get the best accuracy you can get when shooting .22lr out of a .223/5.56 upper with a drop in .22lr conversion kit.
You're better off building or buying a dedicated .22lr upper with a barrel sized and rifled accordingly. This gives you better accuracy and function.
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Post by slav on Jan 7, 2013 23:53:15 GMT
I actually agree with oolong that the M14 platform gun is a good candidate for bullpupping. Especially the SOCOM version with it's unweildy forward center of mass.
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Post by KentsOkay on Jan 8, 2013 2:21:49 GMT
A dedicated upper also isn't $140.
I don't use .22 past 50 yards, I only use it for plinking and short range practice. It works well enough for me.
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Post by slav on Jan 8, 2013 6:50:37 GMT
Kent, that's exactly what I set my 10/22 (that you bashed in the other thread) up for. Carbine drills and practice.
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Post by KentsOkay on Jan 8, 2013 8:28:46 GMT
Sorry didn't mean to come off bashy as much as proddy, but exactly my point. I have my Marlin Model 80 for making "accuracy" shots. The .22 adaptor is about not spending $7.50 when doing a mag dump.
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Post by slav on Jan 8, 2013 9:50:57 GMT
It's all good, I took it as humor. Yes, technique can be practiced using a variety of tools. Heck, I even have a CO2 powered pellet pistol for doing basic drills and plinking indoors.
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Post by KentsOkay on Jan 8, 2013 17:07:09 GMT
I've got a CO2 S&W M&P, I've been shooting it for a bit over a year. It's made me go from being okay with a pistol, to great. I've been doing a lot of under stress practice recently, so jump rope for 3 minutes then shoot.
Now to get my hands on a M&P9 or a Ruger SR1911 to call my own...
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Post by slav on Jan 9, 2013 0:07:50 GMT
It sounds like we are cut from the same cloth.
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