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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 14:36:17 GMT
Over the past few days I have been discussing different steel types and blade geometry with a sword manufacterer that will remain nameless for now (as I am awaiting a couple of new swords from him to review and test out) And He and I have talked about what blades are best for certain types of cutting, and the subject of 9260 spring steel came up, and he is going to send me a though hardened 1095 blade with what ever kind of blade geometry I want to test, he says the through hardened 1095 series is very tough and I believe him, so either a medium type geometry or a heavy type, I'm thinking medium would be best as it would be more versitile but heavy would stand up to more abuse, which one would you guys want to hear about more? I am in short supply of bamboo as I live in the midwest, but I'm sure with the proper safety measures taken I could find plenty to test a blades durability out. And since he is sending it to me for shipping only I can get either one, I ordered a clay tempered 1095 customised with my choice of fittings but that one won't be getting abused it's just too nice, tatami mat only, but a through hardened beater for cheap, I can do that Anyways they are going to take a few days off for New Years and are gonna ship the swords to me when they get back and I let him know what blade geometry for the beater, so let me know which you would rather hear about, I'll post pictures too as I'm sure you all like seeing nice blades as much as I do, have a good new years
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Post by GUEST on Dec 31, 2012 15:03:27 GMT
What type of sword are you talking about, katana ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 17:26:01 GMT
Yes Sir, both are Katanas, I apologise for Leaving that bit of info out, he just sent me pics of the clay tempered 1095 one that I ordered, I'm on my phone now, but later I need to get on the computer and put up some pics of it, he did everything just how I requested, purple silk ito and sageo, battlewrapped tsuka, upgraded brass tsuba, and just a beautiful blade with alot of activity in the hamon, it really came out great, but he and I had just been talking for awhile about katanas in general, and he as a manufacturer is trying to deside what to do with certain lines to make his customers happy, and as he stated he gets alot of new guys wanting a sword that is pretty much indestructable at a cheaper price than the top of the line swords, and out of kindness on his part he is sending me one of his through hardened 1095 line katanas to put through the paces for just the price of shipping and if I like it he has even offered to let me offer like 5 or 10 of the through hardened ones to friends on here for similar prices, that is why I won't mention names right now, until I get one and put it through the ringer so to speak, to make sure it's up to everybodys level of toughness before I put the word out offically, if you guys want me to test a medium geometry katana or a heavy one I'll tell him and give it my best shot at pushing it to the limits, and I won't have to risk hurting my new baby
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 19:29:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 19:36:46 GMT
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Post by johnwalter on Dec 31, 2012 23:07:19 GMT
Meh.Hamon dips right to edge in too many places.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 23:46:55 GMT
To each their own, I'm really happy with it, especially for the price I paid for it and the guy is sending me another through hardened katana for shipping only just to test it out, so for less than the price of one lower end ebay sword I get two. I know it's not gonna be everyones cup of tea, and I know it isn't a high dollar l6 banite Howard Clark but this is a forum mainly about where to get nice sub 300 dollar swords, and for less than 300 I'm scoring two good swords, I'm happy with the whole buying experience, I have been talking with this guy for awhile now and he has always had time to answer any questions, even asked for my opinion on things, and most sword makers I have talked to lose interest after a couple of questions, this guy even sends me emails just to.say hi and see.how things are going, that goes along way in my book. He is a down to earth guy that just loves swords like us.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Jan 1, 2013 1:29:16 GMT
If you like it, that's the most important thing. If it's functional, then that's even better. I'm happy to see that a vendor is treating their client well. I hope you are able to score more great deals in the future as well!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 2:18:28 GMT
Thanks, I'm gonna have to figure out how to upload a video when the through hardened blade testing happens, I'll have to set up some good stuff to cut, well I may have to wait until the thaw since we got snowed it this week or back the wifes truck out of the garage lol
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Jan 1, 2013 14:56:35 GMT
quote "and the subject of 9260 spring steel came up, and he is going to send me a though hardened 1095 blade"
1095 is quite different to 9260 -
Principal Design Features This is a high carbon alloy of the plain carbon steel family. It is intended for high hardness and strength, but also tends to be brittle.
Applications Typically used for springs or cutting tools requiring sharp cutting edges such as grass or grain cutting tools.
Machinability Machinability is relatively poor for 1095 alloy. It rates at 45% that of 1112 steel which is used as a 100% machinable reference.
Forming Forming may be accomplished by conventional methods. However 1095 is more difficult to form and requires greater force to do so than for the lower carbon steels.
Welding 1095 may be welded by all of the welding methods. It is important to pre-heat at 500 to 600 F and post-heat the weldment at 1200 to 1450 F.
Heat Treatment The steel may be hardened by heating to 1650 F and quenching in oil. This should be followed by a tempering heat treatment. For cutting tools it is common practice to harden only the cutting edge by induction heating and quenching so as to retain the toughness of the steel behind the hardened edge.
9260 is a silicon alloy spring steel This steel consists of 2% of silicon, 1 % of Manganese and it has it has 0.6% of Carbon in it. Silicon is for durability and helps the tool hold its sharp edge for longer. Manganese increases tensile strength and carbon allows the tool to take a keen edge. After careful hardening, tempering and annealing it reaches the excellent hardness of Rockwell 63-64 (HRC).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 17:05:40 GMT
Thank you Aussie Rabbit, that is some good information, he asked me what I wanted in a solid cutter, and I told him that durability, good blade geometry and edge retention were what I would want-and a reasonable price, and he offered me the 1095 through hardened blade for just shipping(which isn't alot) to try out, he said that the proper geometry is paramount in your choice of target for a blade- as well as good tempering of course and thought that his 1095 through hardened will stand up very well at a cheaper price, and for what I'm paying for it, I sure can't complain, I will give one a good testing and let him and all you know what the verdict on it is, it is really just a test blade at a super cheap price, I appreciate him giving me such a opportunity to test one out at a price I couldn't get anywhere else. If I was going to be spending a good sum for a real cutter for myself right now I'd buy a performance cutter, but I got a steal on a beater and a chance to see how they hold up, I normally wouldn't buy a sword to purposely abuse to see what it can take but at this price I figure ...why not?
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Post by johnwalter on Jan 2, 2013 0:56:02 GMT
My apologies.I wasnt criticizing,but that is a structural no no for a DH blade.Other than that it looks pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 1:04:35 GMT
Sound advice, there needs to be enough hardened edge material for the structural integrity of the blade!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 1:27:42 GMT
I didn't think you were being critical, and truthfully Just about every dh blade I have seen from the longquan area forges looks pretty similar when it comes to the hamon, as I said I got this blade more for display purposes that doesn't mean I won't cut some light stuff with it, but it isn't my main cutter by any means. It's all good guys, I like it and I got a good deal on it.
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Post by johnwalter on Jan 3, 2013 0:14:02 GMT
If you are happy,thats what matters.And it should handle light targets no problem.
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Post by lamebmx on Jan 3, 2013 1:56:34 GMT
If its going to be destructive does the geometry really matter? medium niku would show the low end and one could expect a heavy niku to take a bit more. Then of course the opposite applies too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 2:29:54 GMT
No it really doesn't matter I guess, I just wondered what you guys would be more interested in me testing a medium or heavy, but you make a good point, a heavy will certainly take more abuse, so thats most likely the best one to get, I just hope after this month I can sneak another sword purchase by the mrs next month She caught on to me sneaking more guns in after my safe ran out of room and hard cases started taking up closet space, what can I say (for me) swords & guns are like lays potato chips - one just isn't enough and they are hard to quit once you start.
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Post by johnwalter on Jan 3, 2013 22:13:57 GMT
Yes it does matter.If the tempering/hardening isnt correct,niku doesnt make much difference.I have a well made tho inexpensive very light niku blade that will take much more than a cheap medium heavy niku POS that I have.Because its heavier or thicker,honestly,means little.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 0:09:33 GMT
I was answering the question that the guy asked if the geometry actually mattered if it was to be a destructive test, my answer had nothing to do with tempering, the blade is through hardened 1095 so if tempered correctly it should be very tough, we shall see when it arrives
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