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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 8:53:23 GMT
Got a query for you euro guys, I need a English sword for a ceremony coming up, now what sword I use is open for me to decide, but the occasion in question means that id rather not, and protocol dictates, that I not have a politically slanted sword by my side...
So what English style sword would you suggest thats 'generic' as in not associated with any political/military/regal events and or persons? Also the bigger the better, Im 6'9" or so and would rather it look like a sword rather than a long knife...
Should also say its not going to see any action, and after the ceremony ill probably get it box framed, so something that looks good too....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 12:06:54 GMT
What time period were you looking for? And what price rang?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 12:21:58 GMT
Any period, and give or take $300. Im really in the dark about euro swords so an seeking opinions from the experts ![:)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by rammstein on Oct 14, 2007 14:42:34 GMT
You've got the cromwell, do you not? I think that is a pretty decent looking sword to be hanging at your side. If not, I think the only swors that would scream english would be those funky key pommel swords (all of which I know about are well over $600) or something basket hilted. The cromwell is basket hilted.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 15:35:40 GMT
What about this one? www.reliks.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=2509The tag next to it say's scottish but the blurb say's english. I always thought these were english, but i don't know if the background on them really.
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Post by rammstein on Oct 14, 2007 15:47:13 GMT
Them are english. fo' sho'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2007 16:04:41 GMT
Basically, any Mortuary hilt sword will work.
I dunno about that Windlass one though. He needs it to look good, and their scabbards are pretty much garbage.
If you have the CAS Cromwell Mike, I'd reccomend that. It looks good, and is about as English as they get.
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 14, 2007 23:43:42 GMT
I'd go with the Cromwell, too, except you say you wish to refrain from associations with specific persons/groups, ans as such the Cromwell, Marshall, and Albrecht II (all swords that leapt to my mind) are a no-go.
Bearing that in mind, I'd go with a mortuary hilt of some sort. I've actually been wanting Hanwei's for a while, but am growing to fear Hanwei's European lines lately...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2007 2:34:30 GMT
I would say go for a broadsword of the George Silver tradition. You can't get any more English then George Silver. Broadswords were contemporaries of Rapiers. They were called broadswords because they were wider then most rapiers. They were still more narrow then most medieval swords. They often had a basket hilt.
There was a big cultural rivalry at he time between Italian rapier swords with their thrust oriented style vs English broadswords and their cut oriented styles. George Silver himself was very critical of Italian sword and technique.
Broadswords were used in other cultures too, but none of them had George Silver. Hence the broadsword is English by association.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2007 13:45:28 GMT
Cheers for the suggestions all, ive got a while to organize it all (Jun 08). Tsafa, Ive got to admit I always thought the broadsword were huge monster of a sword, wwaaayyy off lol
Any reason I shouldnt consider court swords (small swords?) Im looking places online and it seem their readily abundant and dont have cyphers or anything like that on them, I realise they were widely used ( i only thought of them because the japanese used something similar) but a perculiarly english one might be an option?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2007 6:29:58 GMT
I don't know how much history you would need to back up your choice of English Sword. I think the smallsword originated in France. I don't know of any well know English smallsword masters. The smallsword was used in England and there are famous museum pieces from England. Its just that I am unable to make as strong an association as I can with the broadsword.
Perhaps if you approach this from the direction of finding a famous English person who dueled with the smallsword you will be able to make the association to your audience. Try googling "famous English duels".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2007 0:38:55 GMT
It will be hard to find a modern replica of an 18th or 19th century sword that will be distinctly British, unless you choose to buy a replica of a military sword pattern . I think that a mortuary hilt from Hanwei is a good choice.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2007 1:52:15 GMT
I don't know how much history you would need to back up your choice of English Sword. I think the smallsword originated in France. I don't know of any well know English smallsword masters. The smallsword was used in England and there are famous museum pieces from England. Its just that I am unable to make as strong an association as I can with the broadsword. Perhaps if you approach this from the direction of finding a famous English person who dueled with the smallsword you will be able to make the association to your audience. Try googling "famous English duels". the smallsword did not "originate" in any one place, Itialians and french have claimed a lot of the credit however. in some ways the smallsword has a huge range of variations depending on the period and the country of make a smallsword might be good if it had some sort of marking or engraving that distingued it as english, that or maybe something like the items on this page www.militaryheritage.com/swords2.htmthe Pattern 1822 Light Cavalry Trooper's Sabre has the merit of being celebrated by Tenneson, and all the others have interesting histories as well sorry to have to break it to you but any sword is somewhat political, if its medival you get labeled a fuedilist if its the cromwell sword you get called a puritin or a theorcracition, and so on, your best bet is to try to find as sword that will upset the least number of people that will be there, it is impossible to find a sword that will not upset some poor soul somewhere. just my $0.02
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 16:37:04 GMT
The mortuary hilt is a good choice, but might be a little to Cromwellian. I'd go with a military pattern or something very historical like an Edward III or black prince replica. I don't think anyone would accuse you of fomenting war with France or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 16:45:05 GMT
Mortuary hilts were used by both sides during the ECW, and I doubt that most people would see the Hanwei Cromwell and think to themselves, "Oh my, is that the sword Oliver Cromwell is said to have carried at Drogheda?" So I would not worry about political or religious associations with the Hanwei Cromwell, or any other mortuary hilt. Just pushing for my favorite suggestion. ![;)](//storage.forums.net/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2007 18:06:59 GMT
You say time period doesn't mater how about the 1796 light or heavy cavalry saber, both are well respected British swords.
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