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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2007 22:11:53 GMT
Scimitars are a pretty elusive item. Has anyone come across any good deals on Scimitars, or even slos of scimitars?
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Post by rammstein on Jul 30, 2007 22:18:39 GMT
Shayanmirza is our scimmy guy. From what he's said before somwhere, there is a serious lack of a good scimitar in our price range.
Some people have been happy with the windlass/cold steel offerings, but they really don't do justice to the sword.
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Post by septofclansinclair on Jul 31, 2007 1:46:20 GMT
Most of what I've researched winds up being "belly-dancing" swords. Which I'm not that interested in. Sorry man, I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2007 2:20:25 GMT
Sept of Clan Sinclair, I own a piece of Windlass Scimitar (or Shamshir, some call it).. I got it from www.mwart.com but I don't seem to find it there anymore; I know www.by-the-sword.com has it. Alternatively, both www.therionarms.com & by-the-sword.com has the Coldsteel version. Do check it out..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2007 1:22:29 GMT
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Post by admin on Aug 6, 2007 5:22:43 GMT
I've got the cold steel one coming shortly to do some testing on. There is a very recent and favorable review of it on Sword Forum International there by Mike Artledge. Seems like it is a good piece for the money, but I'll let you know more when I have it in my hands.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2007 4:18:50 GMT
Just got back from my summer job in the boonies, just in time for a Mid-Eastern sword thread!! My Cold Steel had crazy torque in the blade, made worse by the fact it's a curved blade. I had to return it, and was told by the supplier that all of them had a slight twist. Maybe it was just a bad batch? I've heard good things from another owner. My Windlass has no twist in the blade, but the hilt construction is shaky, and the wood close to the kollah (pommel thing) just cracked...oy. Maybe try the mameluke scimitar from military heritage? Basically it's a crapshoot with Middle Eastern swords these days. www.militaryheritage.com/mamelukesword.htmThe hilt construction in this is, unlike the CS or Windlass, true to traditional construction of the seif/shamshir. Note the full tang that has become a part of the grip. The blade profile seems a bit more European (the curve starts earlier than the typical seif or shamshir blade) but it certainly wouldn't be out of place historically. This is probably the next sword I'm going to buy (either this or the Gen2 Irish, to reflect the other half of my mixed heritage). I don't think they ship sharp, though. Good luck in your hunt, tell us which sword you end up with!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2007 13:17:10 GMT
I've been trying to find a good scimitar for a while as well. I have a wall hanger but would like to get a good one soon. Not a lot of choices or options around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2007 3:47:13 GMT
I just ordered the Windlass steel crafts scimitar. It should arrive along with the Archer's falchion on thursday. When I get them, I'll tell you what I think of the Windlass version. I'm also going to post a review for the Archer's Falchion.
~Thursday cannot come soon enough!
Jesse
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Post by Brendan Olszowy on Sept 19, 2007 7:00:39 GMT
Onya jessehaushalter. Don't think you're going to get out of this without some major photo displays, test cutting and handling reviews on BOTH blades.
So help me...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2007 19:17:56 GMT
Aye, Aye, Brenno I shall do my best. ~awaiting the fedex... Jesse
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2007 3:40:01 GMT
My order arrived today! Therefore, I am now the proud owner of a windlass Scimitar, and an Archer's Falchion! ~loving Windlass Jesse
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2007 23:34:14 GMT
Congratz Jesse! So how is the Scimitar?? Any pics? mini review? is it solid? how does it feel?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2007 1:55:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2007 5:33:54 GMT
I have been meaning to comment on this for a while but never got around to it. Does that thin curved blade from Relics really count as a Scimitar? They seem too much like sabers. This is not an area I have researched in any detail. I always had the conception (or misconception) that a true scimitar had a wide blade near the tip. Something like what Trueswordsman posted.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2007 6:27:33 GMT
The thin windlass curved blade that you can get from Reliks is actually a more accurate scimitar than the one Trueswordsman had posted. The closest historical wide tip scimitar is the Turkish Kilij oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2436The typical Sinbad type of scimitar is purely fictional and was probably influenced by the chinese Dao. www.derech.net/img/swords/chineseswords/sword_07.jpgThe Sinbad sword looks like a cross between the scmitar and Dao in my opinion. Scimitars come in many flavours like the Shamshir (where the Scimitar got its name from), Saif, Kilij, etc and represent that famous curved blade. Unfortunately, I've never handled the Windlass Scimitar or the CAS scimitar and I'm still trying to find other scimitar makers... I have been meaning to comment on this for a while but never got around to it. Does that thin curved blade from Relics really count as a Scimitar? They seem too much like sabers. This is not an area I have researched in any detail. I always had the conception (or misconception) that a true scimitar had a wide blade near the tip. Something like what Trueswordsman posted.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2007 8:23:55 GMT
Mr. Tsafa, the saber is actually derived from these Middle Eastern blades, so you're correct in noting a similarity...you've got a good eye! The European cavalry adopted the scimitar-style blades when they began imperial incursions and invasions into the Middle East, the French in Egypt, British in India, etc...it perfectly suited the changing European tactics, which were becoming similar to the Near Eastern martial traditions of light cavalry warfare.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2007 3:55:31 GMT
Actually the typical sinbad scimitar is of moorish design and was used to great effect by the moors, so it is a historical blade to some degree, watch robin hood prince of thieves the black warrior in it is a moor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2007 17:30:11 GMT
Unfortunately, I've never handled the Windlass Scimitar or the CAS scimitar and I'm still trying to find other scimitar makers... Sargon, have you voted on the Middle Eastern Blade Offerings thread? Check it out! /index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1191027110And I've heard good things about the MilitaryHeritage mameluke sword, so maybe give that one a try? Of the 3 shamshir-style blades on the market, it's the only one with an accurate tang and hilt construction, with a realistically-sized and accurately profiled blade. Actually the typical sinbad scimitar is of moorish design and was used to great effect by the moors, so it is a historical blade to some degree, watch robin hood prince of thieves the black warrior in it is a moor. I've never seen an example of a one of those, so if you have a picture of a historical example do share! North Africa isn't my strong point weapon wise, though they have some cool stuff. These are the weapons North Africans (Arabs, Berbers, etc) used in combat, aside from traditional straight blades: Flyssaoriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1333Nimchaoriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2426Takoubaoriental-arms.com/item.php?id=888I think it's likely the Sinbad scimitar comes from the Turkish kilij: oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1249"The Kilij is the traditional saber of the Ottomans. It was in use from the early 17 C. and during more than 300 years well into the 20th C. The shorter version with deeply curved wide blade and âTâ spine is a later version and appeared in the mid 18 Century."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2007 18:45:31 GMT
Thanks for the poll link ShayanMirza, too bad I can't vote for more than one. I've seen the mameluke swords on the net, but that's the extent of my experience with them. They look good though! Like I've mentioned, I think the Kilij is the closest thing to the mythical Sinbad scimitar, so bloodwraith, if you have some pics of the design you're talking about, please let us know.... and I don't think using a hollywood movie is any proof of historical blades lol
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