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Post by DavidW on Oct 21, 2012 9:46:13 GMT
Hi, so I really love this game called Counter Strike, and I was hoping to get someone to make a replica of the knife used in-game. I understand that the in-game knife was based off a Strider knife design. Unfortunately, that Strider knife was a one-of-a-kind, made for a competition between knife makers. I don't know many custom makers, so I was wondering if you guys could help me out with finding a custom knife maker who can Make a 12 inch blade Make a really durable blade (I plan for this to be ready for camp-knife or survival-knife capabilities) that is still very sharp Sub-$1000 price
On that note, is it better to use carbon steel, or some variation of stainless steel that I know a lot of knife makers like to use?
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Post by GUEST on Oct 21, 2012 14:40:34 GMT
I don't play many video games so I have no idea what the knife looks like. Did you have a typo with the sub $ 1000.00.
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Post by Opferous on Oct 21, 2012 15:40:44 GMT
Do you mean the Counter Strike 1.6 knife or the stuff in Global Offensive?
From what I can find about the Strider CS 1.6 knife, it seems they used titanium and press fit a Stellite edge to it, and the grips are carbon fiber inset with ivory. Might be a tad tough finding anyone to do that, if it's what you're looking for specifically.
For a knife, I feel the steel is kind of up to preference. We like to use 5160H, 1095, or L6 for knives. The flame pattern on the original could be faked with some Duracoat, which would help prevent rust. Nothing wrong with people making knives out of CPM-3V, S30V, CPM154, D2, etc though.
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Post by DavidW on Oct 21, 2012 17:22:55 GMT
ah forgot to include a link to the knife www.techeye.net/assets/upload/in ... knife1.png I'm not looking for any fancy stellite whatever, just a tough knife that will excel in a SHTF situation as well as camping. I meant sub-1000 when I typed it...is that just wishful thinking? So which steel gives me maximum durability with excellent sharpness? I understand for a survival/camp knife, you don't want a razor sharp edge that chips easily, but at the same time, I'd like it to be really sharp for food prep and other finer cutting activities. As for the blade pattern, I'm looking for again, an extremely durable coating that won't wear off. I guess I'll use carbon steel as after some reading, it seems to perform better? As such, it will be more prone to rusting, hence I need a really hard wearing coating to prevent that. The grip, I'll probably have micarta or some other polymer slabs, as that's what seems to be the material in this pic q8geeks.org/wp-content/uploads/2 ... nifing.jpg
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Oct 21, 2012 17:43:14 GMT
Well, with that budget your biggest problem will be deciding on the smith, at that price point you have plenty good guys to choose from.
If I were to make it I'd drop the coating though... with minimum care you won't have to fear rosting on carbon steel and the coating will also decrease cutting ability (not mentioning the looks...)
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Post by DavidW on Oct 21, 2012 17:50:01 GMT
Have you seen the knife? The coating is one of its most outstanding features, so I don't want to get rid of it. How does the coating affect the cutting ability? Does it increase resistance or something?
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 21, 2012 17:57:35 GMT
the coating makes the knife dull
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Post by Opferous on Oct 21, 2012 18:00:39 GMT
Well, the actual knife in question doesn't have a coating per se. The back is anodized titanium and that "pattern" is just the junction where the Stellite is force fit to the titanium, it seems.
Coating will probably increase resistance slightly. Makes sharpening a real pain though, if you use a very durable/tough coating. You can leave the edge uncoated, but that means either you'll set a more obtuse edge every time you sharpen or you'll have to patiently grind back the coating every time you want to sharpen.
If you're going to do a lot of food prep with it though, I tend to like stainless better. Won't impart any weird iron taste to your food, and there's less maintenance. I personally keep knives in CPM154 and VG10 when I need them to stay very sharp and have minimal maintenance and I know I'm not going to beat them to hell batoning wood or something.
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Post by DavidW on Oct 21, 2012 19:35:36 GMT
Okay, to be honest, the knife will probably just be on display most of the time. But if it ever comes down to a SHTF or self defense situation (I know, those are highly improbable fantasies), I want this to be the number one knife to take with me and leave the others at home (i.e. a bug out bag, you can't bring all your knives, you just choose the best). I'm also in scouting though and I plan to do camp outings in college too, so there may be a chance that I use this knife in camping, so I need it to be capable of camp chores as well.
How does edge retention of stainless rate against carbon? Or maybe I should try one of those stainless-carbon knives...
If coating is such a problem, I may just have the stellite fit on the knife and anodize the rest. Any idea if that would drive the price drastically up? I know the anodizing part would be cheap, as many SLOs have anodized blades.
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Post by Opferous on Oct 21, 2012 22:17:41 GMT
It's not really a question of stainless vs carbon. It's heat treat quality along with what individual steels are best at with optimal treatment. And if you really plan on bringing it camping, I'd be worrying more about toughness for camp chores/tasks than edge retention. Plenty of people swear by 3V for hardness/retention though.
I don't know anyone (besides Strider, apparently) who works with Stellite. Looks crazy expensive/tough to work with though.
Really, if it's mainly for display, coating's not a big deal.
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Post by DavidW on Oct 22, 2012 6:03:18 GMT
so back to the original question, who are the main smiths who do sub$1000 custom work? Cheaper the better (not quality-wise)
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Post by Sébastien on Oct 22, 2012 7:36:39 GMT
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Oct 22, 2012 8:43:12 GMT
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Post by DavidW on Oct 22, 2012 10:30:28 GMT
Thanks for the links guys. Sebastien, yeah, it'd be out the roof. I think A micarta handle with blackened steel fuchi and kashira (no idea about knife terms, just using katana terms that seem most similar) would suffice for the bottom half. A 1095 or W-2 steel blade with coating would complete the upper half. Hoping that shouldn't cost too much.
Is it possible to make a hamon in the shape of that wavy pattern the in game knife has?
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Post by DavidW on Oct 26, 2012 17:07:09 GMT
well dang, I was really hoping Lamey could do it, cause his hamon are AMAZING. Unfortunately, he told me he does not do exact replicas, coatings, or serrations (the CS knife has a bit of notches on the back that I'd like to have made as full serrations).
Jeff says he's busy and that I should ask for help on the bladesmith forums
So I guess it's down to ksrblades and pattonblades (barnett is in Australia, shipping would be costly)
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