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Post by Kataphractos on Oct 14, 2012 19:06:14 GMT
So while looking at this site,, I find this armor: I've never seen armor like this anywhere else online or in historical images and statues. What region, if any, of Europe would this be from?
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Post by Taran on Oct 14, 2012 19:25:54 GMT
I would have to say that it's a transitional Eastern European piece. I haven't seen a scale pattern quite like that. All of the armours in that link appear to be Eastern Euro to my eye.
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Post by Bulvoy on Oct 14, 2012 19:37:14 GMT
I'd have to agree, it appears to me a variation of scale armour,( perhaps with modern interpretation) which is earliest period of transitional from leather , horn to iron, bronze, etc. unlcear to its actual origin, Scale armour was worn by warriors of many different cultures as well as their horses. it is reminds me of early Eastern Roman, samurai, Lamellar armour, Lame armor Brigandine; Karuta Japanese armour
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Post by 14thforsaken on Oct 15, 2012 0:02:08 GMT
Looks like a cross between scale armor and splint armor.
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Post by Kataphractos on Oct 15, 2012 1:23:13 GMT
That was my thought, too, but it's a very different scale pattern. It could almost be a brigandine that lacks the cloth fronting.
It's got a decent price compared to other armors on the site. Almost tempted to drop an order.
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Post by Svadilfari on Oct 18, 2012 20:20:30 GMT
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Oct 18, 2012 21:22:29 GMT
It's a Slavic armor that was adopted/modified from Scandinavian mercanaries, example the varangian guard, It evolved from their armors in to it's own. basicly a coat of plates bounded by chain. that is a very nice example.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 19, 2012 4:14:56 GMT
The armor listed above appears to be a modern interpretation. I know of no surviving pieces in Europe, or Byzantium, that resemble it. Lamellar it is not, nor was lamellar 'a cot of plates bounded by chain'... Lamellar was metal or leather plates laced with leather. Often worn OVER a hauberk.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Oct 19, 2012 16:11:28 GMT
IIRC, but don't quote me on this as I heard it on 4chan, that specific picture may have been a design sketch for a game; 'based on/derived from' history more than actual historicity. It does give a possibility, albeit a fairly unlikely one...
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Oct 21, 2012 19:43:16 GMT
What I ment by posting the photo was the armor evolved, scale, to lamalar, to lamalar plates rivited instead of strung. There are very few examples of this evolution in the Slavic comunity and IDK if there are any else where. The picture I posted was to show that lamalar replaced earlier calvary scale armor, did happen, and was still evolving. Which lead to the armor in question.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 21, 2012 21:17:58 GMT
What basis do we have in surviving manuscripts or archaeological finds for saying riveted lamellar even close to this existed? It's fine to give it as a possibility, but we need to treat it as an unlikely one unless we have evidence otherwise, and I know of none. The closest we come, that I know of, is this description of the Kilvanion from Byzantium(albeit it is from Wikipedia-
"The lamellar klivanion was a rather different type of garment. Byzantine lamellar, from pictorial evidence, possessed some unique features. It was made up of round-topped metal lamellae riveted, edge to edge, to horizontal leather backing bands; these bands were then laced together, overlapping vertically, by laces passing through holes in the lamellae. "
So even this, which was (so far as I know, which could likely be wrong) the peak of lamellar, was not done like this.
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Oct 21, 2012 21:41:32 GMT
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