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Post by EMince on Sept 20, 2012 23:24:34 GMT
So I went to a renaissance faire a few weeks ago and although I'd never buy a sword at one, I decided to browse one of the vendors selling some battle ready swords. They mostly just sold Hanwei swords and another Medieval style sword manufacture which I was not familiar with. The other manufacture's swords had black leather strips that wrapped the handle and they were really blade heavy.. I asked the seller about them and he couldn't tell me the name of the manufacture, only that they used "state of the art carbon steel" from the Czech and that the steel was immune to rust. I have never heard of anything like this and just figured it was bullsh*t. Can anyone shed some light on what kind of steel (he claimed it wasn't stainless) he's talking about, or possibly a name of the manufacture?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Sept 20, 2012 23:32:20 GMT
I'm not aware of any carbon steel that does not rust. Even if treated or coated, carbon steel will eventually rust if not cared for. I think he was lying, though it's hard to imagine a salesman making far-out claims, hahaha.
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Post by Voltan on Sept 20, 2012 23:42:15 GMT
Yeah, if it looks like s&%t, and smells like s&%t, then chances are... I've never heard of rust-immune high carbon steel either. If it did exist, I'd think it would at least be an available option from more manufacturers.
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Post by demonocus on Sept 21, 2012 0:42:10 GMT
what if it was a carbon steel core with a stainless steel finish on the outer layer that might work for a non rusting blade but i have never heard of anything like that anywhere
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Sept 21, 2012 0:54:09 GMT
I'm not positive, but that would not likely work for a usable blade, though it is probably possible to do physically.
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Post by cmwilliams94 on Sept 21, 2012 2:23:10 GMT
If such a thing exists, I would imagine it would be very expensive and very useful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2012 6:17:29 GMT
Low carbon steel rusts less easily, high carbon steel is more prone to rust. Hard to verify those claims, considering that even mild steel rusts...
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Sept 21, 2012 7:35:59 GMT
When you combine carbon steel and stainless steel to get high carbon stainless steel you get the best of each alloy. This steel is resistant to rust or staining, it’s very hard, and holds an edge with minimal maintenance. Great in the kitchen, but for a "battle ready sword"? As Monty Python said "run away, run away!"
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Post by Kuya on Sept 21, 2012 8:55:04 GMT
I'm in the boat with the guesses of it being coating. Global Gear has that titanium coated sword, and there are several eBay forges that give the option of rust free (until the coating is scratched off after lots of cutting) titaniun and tungsten adsorbed blades.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Sept 21, 2012 12:30:27 GMT
Alternatively it could just be a clear-coat of lacquer on the blade... it'll work as long as you never cut with it
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Post by Taran on Sept 21, 2012 18:22:43 GMT
There are also new forms of stainless steel, some of which have relatively high carbon content. Still Stainless steel and still not something you want in a sword. But tougher than the more common forms of Stainless.
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Sept 21, 2012 19:12:11 GMT
From what you said I can think of one Chezk maker who clames to have this. He treats his blades with an acid wash of some sort that keeps them from rusting for a very long time, they do still rust. did it look similar to these? www.outfit4events.com/heavy-onea ... -2181.html www.outfit4events.com/heavy-onea ... -2168.html
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Post by EMince on Sept 21, 2012 22:37:47 GMT
Wow, I do believe this is the manufacture in question. I'm pretty sure this was the sword I held: www.outfit4events.com/oneandahal ... -1028.html He was charging $800.00 for it! Thanks for your detective work
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Post by Kumdoalan on Sept 22, 2012 1:36:08 GMT
The well known "Tactical" sword is made of a 5160 steel that is coated and really will not rust unless you scratch the coating off....
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Sept 22, 2012 3:38:21 GMT
potential coatings can include Iron Phosphate Conversion Coating These chemical coatings convert the metal surface to a nonmetallic, iron phosphate coating that inhibits corrosion and improves the adhesion and durability of paint finishes. Manganese Phosphate Conversion Coating These corrosion-resistant coatings reduce wear on pistons, rings, liners, camshafts and other bearing surfaces. Their use encourages rapid break-in of moving parts by preventing metal-to-metal contact between bearing surfaces Nanoceramic Conversion Coating Henkel's zirconium-based nanotechnology provides a green alternative to traditional iron phosphate Phosphate Free Conversion Coating The next generation of chemical coatings offers an environmentally responsible alternative to traditional phosphate coatings. Their low energy, low maintenance and low waste treatment requirements result in significant cost savings. Zinc Phosphate Conversion Coating Zinc Phosphate conversion coatings convert a metal surface to a nonmetallic coating containing iron, manganese, nickel and zinc phosphates. from here www.henkelna.com/conversion-coatings-14977.htm
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Post by Kumdoalan on Sept 22, 2012 3:46:51 GMT
so, a coating we all understand as something that can help carbon steel resist rust.
But, what of a carbon steel itself?
Is there a new carbon steel, (Likely a type of alloy?) that has as its nature a resistance to rust?
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Post by 14thforsaken on Sept 22, 2012 4:30:30 GMT
Technically, all steel is carbon steel since steel is an alloy of carbon and iron, therefore without the carbon it is iron. There are some steel alloys that are more rust resistant than others. One of them is a chrome vanadium steel that Del Tin uses in its blades. There are also several other impurities that can be added to a steel alloy that will preform different functions. The main ones I can recall off the top of my head are silicon, molybdenum, chrome, vanadium, manganese, nickel, niobium, zinc and a few others.
Short answer, there are multiple steel alloys all of which have different properties depending on their purpose.
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