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Post by JeanCoutu on Sept 6, 2012 22:53:57 GMT
Hello everyone, I am new to the forum and would like to say that this look like a very nice forum/community! I have been lurking the forums and while I did found a lot of information, there is still a few things I would like to know before buying my first Jian. I am quite unsure about 2, the Scott M. Rodell Cutting Jian sevenstarstrading.com/site/hanwei/cuttingjian/and the Royal Peony Chinese Jian sevenstarstrading.com/site/huanuo/peonysword/. I did found a lot on info on the Scott M. Rodell but the only post/review I found on the Royal Peony is this : forum.grtc.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=835Anyway, I was wondering which of them was worth the price the most. I love the design of the Peony a whole lot more than the Scott M. Rodell's but if they are not on the same quality level I would like to know. Also, on the SST website, there are 3 variants to the Peony's but little info on the differences except for the handle and the gold plating and I am wondering if a 1.5 handle makes a big difference and in what way. Anyway, any info would be great! The sword will be used for forms and wall hanging and maybe for cutting, waiting on more info for that. Also keep in mind that I am open to alternatives but the price must not exceed the Peony's. And while I'm at it, if anyone could answer 1 or a few of these questions, I would be tankful! -Does a fitting rust? (in the case of the Scott M. Rodell's) -I bought a Mineral Oil bottle and mixed it 100ml/1drop of clove and it attracts dust as hell, I did read something about buying light mineral oil afterwards but there never where any explanations. -What should I expect for post shipping cost's? (customs, else) -On the Scott M. Rodell's, there doesn't seems to be a carrying rope for the scabbard (whats the name anyway?) should I make one out of para cord or something(what?) or there is one included? -I did checked my Canadians Laws but there doesn't seems to be anything related to importing sharp weapons, did I missed something? -Anyway a tassel would fit on one of those? and does it fit the style or not (history wise)? -I looked around for handle wrapping but there is very little info on what to make the wrap of. -Finally, what should I never cut with any Jian/sword? Thanks and sorry for a long 1st post!
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 7, 2012 0:13:38 GMT
Welcome I don't know enough about the two jian to help in the comparison but let me try to answer the other questions: -Does a fitting rust? (in the case of the Scott M. Rodell's) A. anything made oe metal will rust or tarnish. Stainless can hold out a lot longer but eventually it too would begin to tarnish then rust. Mild steel fitting should get treated with some oil or otherwise, and I'd do the same with brass, plated metal, or whatever the fittings on the peony are made from, to help it from going grey/green. there are a lot of treatment products you can buy which are specific to the type of metal, but generally some mineral will do for whatever. -I bought a Mineral Oil bottle and mixed it 100ml/1drop of clove and it attracts dust as hell, I did read something about buying light mineral oil afterwards but there never where any explanations. A. What do you put it on? As in what other swords etc.? If you don't like mineral oil you can try something like militec1, gun oil, or jeez- this would be a long list. I can search for other stuf if mineral oil really isn't for you. Try different pharmacies to find the light variety. -What should I expect for post shipping cost's? (customs, else) A. I am in Ontario and for a sword I usually expect about $20-$40 for customs fees if they are added. The exact amount would depend on what value was declared by the seller. -On the Scott M. Rodell's, there doesn't seems to be a carrying rope for the scabbard (whats the name anyway?) should I make one out of para cord or something(what?) or there is one included? A. no reason not to if you like it. Paracord, or maybe some sageo, or leather straps - it's up to you. Sounds like it'd look good. -I did checked my Canadians Laws but there doesn't seems to be anything related to importing sharp weapons, did I missed something? A. No, you did not - order away -Anyway a tassel would fit on one of those? and does it fit the style or not (history wise)? A. 've seen many of this style jian with a tassel. I'm fairly sure it's historically correct. You can buy them on ebay, or go to the fabric store and make one (get the strap cord there too) -I looked around for handle wrapping but there is very little info on what to make the wrap of. A. what to make it from and how to do it- this thread might help viewtopic.php?f=35&t=12013-Finally, what should I never cut with any Jian/sword? A. I would stick to typical targets- bottles, tatami, beach mats, bamboo, paper, cardboard, pool noodles. I would not cut 2x4's. I think you could cut tatami with wood dowels up to about 1" think but I woudn't get into that sort of thing until I had years of training on proper cutting. For now mats with no dowel (just rolled up) or at most a thin bamboo one (1/2" at most) would be fine. Really no dowel would be fine until you know how to cut with proper alignment.
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Post by Taran on Sept 7, 2012 1:20:12 GMT
Welcome! Welcome! Just step over this way to our Chinese Sword Sub-Forum: viewforum.php?f=35The Scott Rodell is a no frills cutter. Excellent quality for a good price. But there is at least 1 company that makes equal, if not better quality, plus bells and whistles, for about the same price (look for Jin-Shi). That is, Hand Down, the Best price I have ever seen for the Royal Peony Jian. It is not, however, unless they made significant changes to it, a cutter. When it was first released, the description stated that the blade was made from the same type of steel as olympic fencing foils and, as such, is a royal beast to sharpen and will not hold an edge even if you manage to put one on it. Sparring, sure. Forms, absolutely. No cutting. It has been 4 years, I think since then, so may be different. Depends on what you want it for. The Royal Peony is better on the wall and far better for sparring (if it is still the same as it was before). The Rodell is far superior for cutting and just as good for forms practice. However, I believe you would definitely do well to check out Jin-Shi: jin-shi.com/I am getting a pair of swords from Sinosword after the reviews they got here recently, but I am not certain their blade quality matches Jin-Shi or Rodell. They are good blades, but As good? However, they are prettier than both and are far more open to customization: sinosword.com/Depends what it is made of. If steel, care for it as you would the blade. If Brass or Bronze or other metal that tarnishes, care for it as you would anything else made from that material. If it's a material that does neither (rust or tarnish) you most likely either spent a butt-load of money, or bought a POS. Maybe both. Though there may be a situation where you didn't. There are a lot of options for protecting your swords from rust. I like silicone gun cloths. Another member likes silicone spray. mineral oils of various kinds are more popular, despite how badly they attract dust (any uncovered, oiled material will attract dust). I think that may be because of the tradition of using oil. I may be wrong. Where to/from? There are a lot of options for this. I wrap mine in my belt-sash when wearng my sword. living things without really good (legally defensible)reason. Also, anything hard enough to damage the blade, as with any sword. That varies from blade to blade, but metals, bricks, stones, that sort of thing, are never a good idea to try to cut
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Post by JeanCoutu on Sept 7, 2012 2:34:30 GMT
I forgot to specify that I used it on some stainless kamas and in 1 week, they are covered of dust. I don't mind using mineral oil or else, just wondered if it was normal and the distinction between light and heavy for metal oiling. US-Can customs. Well, that Peony seems like it does cut even after taking a beating: forum.grtc.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=835 but that info on olympic fencing does seems weird and I would like to hear more about it. And to resume the link: The pic shows a used sword cutting a 2"bamboo. I think I will message Scott just to get some more info on that, will probably post it here afterward. Thanks for the quick reply Taran and Chrisperoni! I would just like some more info on the Peony but I think I am pretty much aiming that way. Only a few questions left to answer: -How does a 1hander compares to a 1.5hander -What is the name of the scabbard rope? -In the link above, he says the blade is a sanmai blade, what does it mean? -Light vs Heavy mineral oil? -What are the differences between these(except the obvious) sevenstarstrading.com/site/huanuo/peonysword/sevenstarstrading.com/site/huanuo/royalpeonyzitan/sevenstarstrading.com/site/huanuo/royalpeonyblublk/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 2:35:33 GMT
Fittings don't rust on cutting Jian, I have one. Clove oil is useless in mineral oil, use light mineral oil alone, don't leave blade out in the open in a dusty place, display the sword in the scabbard or put it in a glass display case.
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Post by Taran on Sept 7, 2012 17:40:45 GMT
Well, then the Royal Peony has been changed. A good change for most collectors. SanMai is a method of sword construction involving different steels, or, in some cases, different metals altogether. It is a layering of the metals. The harder metal on the edges, or even the exterior of the flats, and the softer metal toward the middle. It was done for the same reason as differential hardening. This link gives diagrams of different Sanmai techniques with Japanese blades: home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/laminate.htmA 1-hander is going to be lighter, quicker, and, typically, shorter.
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Post by kasim18 on Sept 7, 2012 19:21:04 GMT
for that money, you may want to add the cold steel gim to the list. I used one at a buddies house and it is pretty cool. handles quick and easy, cuts very well
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Post by JeanCoutu on Sept 7, 2012 19:45:56 GMT
I did looked at it and I really don't like its look. The blade looks great but the fittings are way to flashy in my opinion.
Thanks for the link and help! I didn't knew there were so much types. Just wondering, is a Hard layer better for edge retention or a soft one?
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Post by kasim18 on Sept 7, 2012 20:38:21 GMT
a hard outer edge will hold an edge better every time
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Post by kasim18 on Sept 7, 2012 20:42:25 GMT
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Post by Taran on Sept 8, 2012 1:08:04 GMT
That's right, CS now has 3 cutting jian: the CS Gim, the Jade Lion Gim, and now the Battle Gim. CS makes a good jian. Looks like they are all a touch on the heavy side, but still well within the historical range, even excluding bronze and iron, and they handle very well and are very tough. There's the Jade Lion: kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=CS88RLGStill, at those prices, Sinoswords has as nice array of blades Plus you can customize, and Jin-Shi has probably the best quality blades in the price range, though less customizability. Both offer sanmai and twistcore and DH and TH, if you want it. CS is ONLY the production models and all in TH monosteel. This is one of 2 they are working for me: sinosword.com/ProductShow/?p=Chi ... d-jian-dao The other is a Liu Ye Dao in matching colours. They also have a Fantastic red and gold Han Jian shown on their old site, but I can't link to it here because of the network blocks the Army has here in Afghanistan.
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Post by chrisperoni on Sept 8, 2012 3:55:55 GMT
If I'm reading it right- with the peony being made an old way and a new or different way you should make doubly sure you get the right one with the right steel/construction.
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Post by JeanCoutu on Sept 8, 2012 14:38:20 GMT
I asked Scott about it, should get an answer within a few days.
While I know it is a quality sword, I can't stand its looks.
I will probably order from them for a second sword in the near future, I am really surprised that it gets this much recommended in the forums. I just wont order from them now because I don't really know what I want yet, never handled a Jian (well, I did handled a waster), so I will order from them when I know what to look for. In what price range are they for customized swords and how long does it takes for them to make a sword?
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Post by Taran on Sept 8, 2012 19:53:38 GMT
They quoted me 70 days from payment to my door. And with all the options I went for, it's going to run me just under $500 per sword, including delivery. Differentially hardened, twistcore, ebony scabbard, silver-plating on the fittings (they just do brass and colour it or plate it to preference). But you'll want to speak with them by email about what you want.
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Post by JeanCoutu on Sept 20, 2012 2:05:28 GMT
I received my Royal Peony sword yesterday. Very nice sword so far. I just don't have the time to cut some bottle with it. I will post pics and maybe a little review when I feel like I handled it enough for one.
Scott said the steel was of good quality, that before the Cutting and that a lot of his students uses them, works for me.
Anyhow, to answer the customs fees question, the price I paid on my doorstep was 35$ and the shipping took 4 days with USPS International Express.
Now that I have the sword, a few new questions adds up:
1. 2 fittings are loose(light wobbling) should I hammer them or something?
2. The scabbard left some residues over the sword on the 2 firsts oiling (original and my first), some very light residues still remains after my 3 oiling, anyway to get rid or those?
3. Is it simple to disassemble/reassemble it? should I do it?
So far, very happy with my first live sword!
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Post by fiend on Aug 10, 2023 8:45:34 GMT
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Post by pellius on Mar 11, 2024 2:06:21 GMT
Spam post deleted.
Also, while the info in this thread may still be useful, please note the original post is well over a decade old.
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