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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 23, 2012 4:15:35 GMT
I like to read them in magazines at my local stores. While they don't have any Martial Arts magazines other than maybe Black Belt, they have several knife and weapon ones. If I see something that looks cool, I'll leaf through it and read the articles. Beyond that, my uncle Jesse was in the Army and my nephew Quentin's dad was in the Marines, so on those seldom occasions when we get to talk I like to chat them up about what they preferred to use.
I'm a small guy, and I have small hands with missing fingers so I like a smallish folder as well. My favorite is the Kershaw Leek, the model with the black tungsten coating. I got one of the newer ones with the G10 handles and the s30v blade, but I honestly can't say I like it more, or even as much as my old tungsten coated one. It's small, light, opens in a flash with studs or flipper, has good traction...man, it was the Bees Knees.
I love those combat canes. I'd love to get one someday. I carry a folder everywhere, but I don't consider it a weapon. When I feel cornered and/or in a situation where I have to act I almost always am more concerned with getting a good grip so I can throw or lock up limbs, and you can't get a good grip if you have a knife in one hand.
Any solid ideas on the one you are getting yet?
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Post by Makoto Pat on Aug 23, 2012 12:39:36 GMT
I 100% agree with your self defense tactic. Many of my old police officer friends suggest a throw as a means to civilian defense for the legal defense "he fell while assaulting me". Hey. what you can you say they are from the old school. I have been meaning to check out some Kershaws. And I ordered a CRKT with Veff serrations and a drop/spear point for finger nail cleaning and seat belt cutting capabilities. The flipper is huge so I did not get a large finger hole. He can test it out before he deploys. He has his old Marine Corps Ka-bar too. The only draw back is the LAWKS system which can foul but it can also be removed....he is an engineer. I think he will modify it anyway regardless of what I send. I chose that one because it was close to 4" with a big handle and looks like a double edged dagger....his style, not mine. I actually liked the LEEKS and the clip pointed folders and bowie style knife designs with a good general purpose handle/grip. I have my eye on a Boker that is a "Wharncliffe" (I think that's correct) design. I got a CRKT Dragon with the plain edge and it is great in the kitchen and very light on my bug-out kit. The point is needle-like and probably would break if used improperly, but as far as cutting up spices like ginger root it rocks. It is designed for stabbing things, mostly men, to death. I don't want or plan to do that. It throws well underhanded into my foam target. If it hit anything else the tip would need to be filed into a chisel. The Boker folder is at Knife Center and it is pretty big for me. I like the design as It is good at cutting out designs on a cutting board from patterns of card stock, cardboard, and paper. I am an educator and I do this often and sometimes scissor mess up my work. Sometimes the lamination messes up my scissors. I also got a strange new CRKT called the Tuition. It is surprisingly fun and good knife for light work. It eats boxes and plastic spits out recycle.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 23, 2012 18:00:25 GMT
Both those CRKT's, the Dragon and the Tuition, look really sweet.
The Leeks have a Wharncliffe shape as well. I have heard about a lot of people snapping the tip off, but I never had that problem myself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2012 19:30:30 GMT
(going off topic again, sorry...) I don't mean to appear argumentative fallen, but you're being rather stubborn on this subject and I don't know why. You may have small knife experience but you have zero experience with this knife and are encountering a positive review by somebody who does have this knife and uses it regularly. I don't know why you're so insistent on refuting this experience. If you're so insistent that it's a poor design, then I challenge you to go out and try one out for yourself... then come back and tell me what you like and don't like about the design, rather than simply making the claim that "Throught history the simple designs that work have survived". They're not expensive, or you can maybe find one of your friends who has one to use. These knives are becoming popular mostly in the bushcraft community, which is contradictory to your statement that "it was designed to pull in all the people who want a tactical cool knife". The others I've seen who use this knife and also give it just as positive reviews as I did, have serious bushcraft skills and make most things themselves. They camp with wooden spoons they carved themselves, smoke out of pipes they make themselves, and when they start a fire they don't use lighters, matches, or anything with fuel in it... they use a flint rod at most or else a bowdrill (requires a knife and cordage, the cordage can be natural or man-made) or a handdrill (requires nothing but a knife). These are not the type of people looking for something "tacticool", and neither am I. Neither is the use of finger-grooves in any way a non-traditional or unproven design for neck knives. Even the very first neck knife designs usually came with a small grove for the index finger, then they started getting more defined since then. Neck knives were meant to be the most compact and lightweight they can be, not necessarily comfortable and easy to hold... which was always the main weakness of the style. This is an example of the standard skeleton handle which one imagines when thinking "neck knife" (not counting those who simply wear their small bush knife in a leather sheath hung around the neck... I'm talking about commercial varieties here, which are much more compact and in a different class with a different purpose): This happens to be one of the earlier neck knife designs, and one which I personally owned myself. Mine had the handle wrapped in leather for a significantly better grip, but it was still nowhere near the practicality of the CRKT Minimalist bowie. So tell me what it is about that handle that you think is more "versatile"? I will tell you from experience that this "simple" neck knife handle was not very versatile at all. It was best used in a scalpel-cutting position where it performed very well, but it was a poor little metal stub of a handle for use in any other position. That's okay though, because it was slim and compact and these are the sacrifices we were willing to make to have something small and convenient around. Improved designs have now made it so that we can have that compact carry without the sacrifices. That Neck Peck I showed above could handle some pretty hard tasks because of the strength of the fixed blade (something a folder cannot)... however, with the handle it had that blade would never see its full potential because you could only comfortably perform light-duty tasks without fear of your finger slipping onto the blade. Heavy-cutting was something reserved for emergencies only on that knife, but on the new Minimalist you can use it for heavy-duty tasks on a regular basis. That's what I call a "versatile" design. The "simple" neck knife handle you speak of was not versatile... it was just there to get you by, with as little presence as possible. Neither have they "survived" as you put it for being tried and true. Fact is that they have been totally phased out by newer designs which do not present a hazard in hard cutting. I had a really hard time finding a photo of a neck knife that didn't have defined finger curvatures to use as an example, and had to search specifically for a model that I knew myself. Your claim that "the simple designs that work have survived" only goes to prove that the traditional neck knife handle was flawed.
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Post by GUEST on Aug 23, 2012 21:19:29 GMT
Ned I had make a big response to you, deleted it, it will do no good. Have fun with your knife, lets see a picture of your knife instead of a stock picture.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2012 21:31:50 GMT
lol. That is my picture. I'm a photographer, remember? The knife pictured is years old, too. If you look closely you can see some of the wear, on both handle and blade... and you'll notice the fob is bent from gripping it. All in all, the knife has held up extremely well. All the wear on the handle is from banging around in my pocket (probably against my keys) before I realized that this knife has a more positive lock on the sheath than most of my others did, and decided to wear it as a proper neck knife again. Here's the original photo without any clipping... (just to be clear though, the photo of the Neck Peck in my last post was not mine - that knife is long lost from my possession now)
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Post by GUEST on Aug 23, 2012 21:54:06 GMT
Need to use better back grounds. The knife dosen't look like it been used hard at all, the logo is still crisp, the edge looks like it's never been resharpened. Don't look like it's seen any hard use, just sheath wear.
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Post by Makoto Pat on Aug 24, 2012 1:25:52 GMT
Ned. I am only going to say this one time in the hopes you will calm down and listen. I mean to keep a kindly tone. You have not answered my question to the thread I started. You have also clogged the thread with argumentative rhetoric. In the spirit of SGB please refrain from taking discussions so personally and let's all move on. No claim here is a fact but opinion and we must be respectful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 2:41:26 GMT
Huh? I made several suggestions directly in answer to your questions, both your original question as well as those you raised immediately after. You rejected most if not all my answers. I didn't provide any further answers because you were going down a different path and I had no more suggestions to give that would be helpful towards the path that you chose to take. There is nothing wrong with that... If my suggestions were not useful to you then that's fine. I gave them out merely as suggestions in case you had not thought of them... according to the use of the blade which you had mentioned. You told me that you were dead set on certain things (such as serrations and a folder), and would take no suggestions outside of those requirements. That's fine... you're looking for a knife that I would not buy, so what more advice could I give you? You're now looking outside of my field.
However, I had already made the suggestion on a certain type of knife that may fit your stated use if not your exact desire... again, just in case you had not thought of it. You rejected the idea immediately (and seemingly angrily for some reason?), but two other posters commented on it - one with a friendly question and another with a criticism. I answered those posts directly, and made it very clear that this was no longer in response to your original post and that I realize we are going into a side conversation.
I did not take any of this personally, and in fact you are the only one who continued to subtly hound me the entire way with suggestions that I was not being helpful and that other people are answering your questions "the way you want them to be answered". I ignored those kind of remarks, so now you have to make this post to make that intention clear. You are the only one who is taking anything personally here, Pat... and you are the only one who was being close minded when I did offer suggestions in the hope of being helpful to you. If my suggestions didn't help you then move on. Don't get angry because my answer didn't fit your pre-conceived notion of what you want.
As for the discourse between Fallen and myself, I made it very clear that it was off-topic and apologized to you for that - on behalf of myself as well as the others involved in the conversation. However, I was receiving continued comments on my choice of knife and there is no reason why I should not answer them with full explanation. Fallen may not agree with my choice, and I don't personally care if he does or not. I'm just explaining my choices and my decisions in order to be helpful so that other people can understand the reason. We already had another member who expressed an interest in this knife and the desire to buy one themselves. This is all useful information for them in that decision, and sorry that this entire forum does not revolve around you and your question. This particular knife in fact has gemerated all kinds of interest and positive reactions from other communities and I know there are others who want to know what it's all about, whether they expressed their interest openly in this thread or not.
I still have the same respect for Fallen as I had before this discourse started, and our disagreement on the practicality of a certain handle style by no means changed it. It is just one thing we do not agree on, and I'm sure Fallen has not taken this personally either (at least I hope not). If I recall, both of us were in full agreement on every other point until he expressed a distaste for one specific knife handle design I posted. I'm sure he was only trying to be helpful as well in expressing this distaste, because he truly believes it to be a poor design and doesn't want me to be misled. On the other hand, I've used this knife a lot and found it to free me of the limitations I had found in other knives of this style, so I responded by explaining why I feel that design is good. This is not a personal argument on anybody's behalf, so please refrain from turning it into one. We are only discussing the plusses and minuses of knife designs, no more and no less. You posted a thread about knife advice, and should have expected varying opinions to arise.
Again I apologize for going off-topic in your thread, as if I hadn't done so enough already. After Fallen's last comment it was quite clear that we were going nowhere and I had absolutely no intention of responding to it. That post I did feel was argumentative and that responding to it would not lead to any positive discussion. That conversation is long dead already. If it really bothers you that much though, then all you have to do is politely request that the conversation move somewhere else. There is no reason to be rude, angry, and insulting about it.
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Post by Makoto Pat on Aug 24, 2012 3:59:51 GMT
Thank you for understanding. Kudos to you, Ned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2012 4:04:45 GMT
No problem, Pat. And sorry I couldn't be of more help.
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Post by Mr.Wallace on Aug 24, 2012 10:14:22 GMT
I apologize for taking the thread off track in regards to the minimalist bowie, I had simply been researching it beforehand. I personally find myself less entertained by folders, but an option you may find interesting is this offering from Bad Blood knives. Please ignore the naming convention, as it's a production line based on a custom "tactical" knife designers preference. I've researched it a lot as well, and they actually appear to be of high quality for the price. www2.knifecenter.com/item/BD0101 ... Cr14-blade The parts that perked my interest, after watching and reading a few reviews, is the nearly overbuilt construction. If weight is of huge import to your friend, you may still be better served elsewhere. I think you may have also mentioned that he had a preference for double edged knives. On the other hand, that particular model is a drop point with a flipper. Just something to consider, I'd meant to mention it earlier. Also, thank you for the information Ned. That's all I needed to hear, I'll be buying one friday I think. I've never been a huge fan of finger grooves, from an aesthetic or functional viewpoint, but this model seems promising. I don't have any tactical plans for it, I just needed a cheap fixed blade with in legal length limits that could actually function as a knife. YMMV.
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Post by Makoto Pat on Aug 24, 2012 12:50:51 GMT
Mr. Wallace, It is cool. I am easily distracted and the thread has not exactly been on topic. I can see where you got on the thread and your comments were relevant. We are friendly here and now.
I actually thought about that Bad Blood knife for myself. I like those flippers. The deal is on camp knives, folder or fixed, I like to have a bit of cordage in a loop to prevent dropping the knife. That was the only minor detail about that knife that put it my secondary list. The price is definitely right to try out a brand I have not.
EDIT: Added: Thanks Mr. Wallace! For turning me onto those Kershaw. Found one to try almost exactly like the one you pointed out with two exceptions: It has a lanyard hole and it is CHEAPER. That is always good. Thanks brother.
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Post by Makoto Pat on Aug 26, 2012 3:53:27 GMT
Here is a pick of the CRKT M21 beast I am sending to my friend. In the middle is my wharncliff fixed blade I use in the kitchen and my bug-out kit. On the top is my newest EDC with a sheep's foot style blade. It is a great letter opener and box cutter. I did also order a folding wharncliff blade from Boker. Mr. Wallace I had already ordered it before I perused the Kershaws! I will get one of those eventually. But resources are tight. Anniversary and two birthday are in the next little bit. At 8 years old everyone in my household get their first pocket knife. A Swiss Army knife of their choice. Also they receive the appropriate safety training and lecture on the purpose of the knife. I'll post pics of those as well. When the USPS gets them here. I thank you all for the advice and sharing.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 26, 2012 3:59:37 GMT
I like all three of those, Pat. Very cool.
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Post by Makoto Pat on Aug 26, 2012 4:13:39 GMT
Thanks you, sir. One of them, the largest does not live here. The middle one is discontinued. You can find in the Bay of e. Otherwise Knife center has them all. I could not believe what a monster that M21 was. It would definitely go on a belt of bag strap if I carried it. My bug out kit (or ranger kit I call it.) is a M.O.L.L.E. thigh pad and gilly bag that attaches to your belt. I keep a CS True Flight and the CRKT Dragon on it. Inside is a Gerber multi-tool and my old Swiss...plus my kit.
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