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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 18:49:44 GMT
My Family Tree has been researched back to 247 A.D. in Scotland. My main interest is in the time line around 1600 A.D. when the head of our clan in Scotland took up the plea of the Earl of County Antrim, Ireland. to help defend his land in which he was given 1500 acres in Ireland.
So what swords would be the ones found in this time line and country.
I want a real sword to attach to this Family Tree for my son when I pass away.
My son is in the Air Force and making a career out of it so I was going to leave him some firearms but he advised me that his wife (who is also in the Air Force) will not allow firearms in there home. I would like to leave him something so I thought maybe a real style of sword from this time period would be fine.
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Post by Warlokk on Jul 18, 2012 20:02:55 GMT
I would think a decent 16th-17th century Scottish Basket Hilt would be the most obvious answer, really... there's a ton of them available depending on how much you're looking to spend, but here's a baseline one from Hanwei. A lot of them are more 18th Century designs though... but it'd be a place to start. kultofathena.com/product.asp?ite ... -+Antiqued
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jul 18, 2012 20:32:55 GMT
I'd go more for a traditional Scottish sword than a basket-hilt. This is an excellent example by Brendan Olszowy of Fable Blades: www.fableblades.com/Dionach.htmlYou can see the resemblance to the later two-handed claymore. This down-turned quillion style seems to be distinctively Scottish, while basket-hilts can be found all over the place-- English, Irish, German even.
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Post by chrisperoni on Jul 18, 2012 20:49:26 GMT
I was going to suggest having FableBlades / Brenno make you a sword - seems more fitting you have one made for your son if you really want to make it a family heirloom. The sword in the link above is a perfect example. I would bet Brendan could even do for you some engraving of a family crest, a meaningful passage, perhaps your original family name in gaelic or something. Don't go for a production sword - make it unique and forever to be treasured- a true family sword this sort of thing is right up his alley - it'll be amazing this is another good example of a custom sword with family heirloom in mind www.fableblades.com/Clanranald.htmlthe old sbg forum post on it: sbgswordforum.proboards.com/inde ... read=17232 quote - "Hey Folks I just wanted to share this with you folks at last. I made this a couple of months ago but have had to keep it under my hat as it was a surprise gift for a Groom. The wedding was all scottish traditional I believe, and the family is a Sept of the Clanranald. The project was instigated by the bride to be as a surprise. The design was my own, with her request of the inclusion of the family badge. Originally it was to be a Braveheart sword, but the lady had observed her husbands preference for wheel pommels. I pointed out that there was nothing scottish about the Braveheart sword and tried to steer her toward a design I envisaged losely based on the wide sweeping lowlander guards and the sword of Robert The Bruce (seen below). The lady also wanted it as a blunt stainless steel item but I convinced her to let me make it a full blown fully functional heat treated spring steel rip snorter, with no less than a 28mm tang at the shoulder, and razor sharp I don't muck around kids ... for the groom's benefit and that of future generatinos of course"
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Post by tom555 on Jul 18, 2012 20:56:34 GMT
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Jul 19, 2012 9:00:20 GMT
That is going to be a good project, and may I suggest getting a copy of these books? www.amazon.com/Scottish-Arms-Arm ... pd_sim_b_3 , www.amazon.com/The-Scottish-Swor ... tish+sword . These might not be among the best of books but are easily acquirable with small investment. Was your family Highland or Lowland scots? To my understanding in c. 1600 the most used swords were claidheamh mor (claymore), claidheamh da laimh (slight resemblance to german/swizz zweihänders, oval shell guard downswept quillons) and the "lowlander" sword. I believe these were the favored swords until the arrival of the basket hilt in the late 1600's. I don't know much about European weaponry, aside from few books, that's why I would recommend getting some books on the subject (I haven't read either of the above mentioned books but I believe they would give some insight on the subject). However as you want to make this project authentic and family tree/Scotland will be in great importance in this, I'd suggest using a scottish sword maker based in Scotland to fulfill this project. They would also have much more info on the sword that you'd want. Here's Claymore Armoury: www.claymore-armoury.co.uk/scottish_swords.htmlRob at Castle Keep was already mentioned. Here's Armour Class: www.armourclass.co.uk/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 21:53:07 GMT
Thank You All for the information. I can see now that I have my work cut out for me. I will make this come true one way or another. May The Good Lord Bless each and everyone who took the time to help me.
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Post by johnwalter on Jul 20, 2012 0:22:00 GMT
Good luck with this!Its a great thing to be doing.
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Post by jcbarnett on Jul 20, 2012 2:04:02 GMT
You mentioned you were interested in a 'real' sword from the 17th century. For the 'real' thing - I like this outfit. www.semprini/scottish.htmlI have quite a few antique blades - and although modern recreations and replicas are - in many cases - actually better than the originals - there is nothing quite like the feel of a true historical sword. Check out the Sinclair - it probably fits the period you are looking at quite nicely.
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