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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2012 17:37:26 GMT
I was stationed in Spain in the mid '60's and was privileged to purchase several old swords from a family(s) there and one from an antique shop in Seville. I made a fake shield to which I attached 5 of the swords and hung it over the mantle of our fireplace. With the upsurge of pawn shop and storage locker type shows I suddenly have gotten an urge to value these items so our daughter will know a little about their value in the future. A couple of days ago I identified one of the swords as a 1796 pattern light cavalry saber(British ?). This was the one I bought in Seville. (pronounced as Sa-via not Sa-ville) I wonder what stories some of these swords could tell since they are all over 100 years old and most bear the marking of Toledo. I am new to the sword forum and I am don't how or if it is possible for me to post a picture so you guys might be able to help identify and possibly value them. A few days ago I saw a "Dog River" confederate saber from the Civil War on TV that looks like an "almost" exact copy of one of mine dated 1852 or 1854 and made in Toledo. There is a old rapier and what may be a Spanish naval officer's dress sword and a Spanish army officers dress sword. Is it possible for me to post a picture of them and how as they now hang because I don't want to remove them from the shield at this time. By the way, they are not for sale I just want to identify them. Thank you. Attachments:
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 3, 2012 21:52:55 GMT
Hi: Welcome to the forum. Just a swag: 1. Yup British 1796 Lt Cav. Any British ally in the Napoleonic Wars got access to these. 2. Spanish M1840 Line Cav Sword 3. 1799 Spanish Dragoon ( Oooooo, ahhhh, drool...  ) 4. :? nada... Hex blade makes me think pre 1800 Infantry/Artillery/staff.... 5. Spanish Naval Officer M1844 ( copied from the Brit 1827 like everybody else did...) Mark Austin is an expatriate Brit living in Spain; sword collector/antiquarian who has his own forum. e is a lot smarter than me. www.antique-swords.org/forums/Let us know what you find out. ( Sword are more valuable if you still have the scabbards...) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2012 12:50:25 GMT
I have to apologize. I took the shield and swords down for a closer look and realized that the items #4 & #5 were 2 swords I bought at an auction in the U.S. about that same time. The Army NCO's sword and the Naval officer's sword were both made in the U.S. by B & S.( I haven't been able to find anything about B&S) The swords have been hanging on our wall(s) for almost 50 years and I honestly forgot where I got them. You may want to cry if I tell you that I bought the 1796 pattern in a little antique shop in Spain for 1000 pesetas (about $16.50 USD at that time) and 4 of the Toledo made swords for another 1000 pesetas (for all 4). One of the four had a broken hilt and is not on the shield. Thanks for the rest of the information. I did discover the 1796 is marked with what appears to be a 1 dot and GILL and a 1 under a crown on the blade side.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jul 4, 2012 21:19:24 GMT
Still need to try Austins forum for some help, or Sword forum International. 4&5 are not US military patterns. 5 is probably a British M1827. Still baffled by 4 That is an officers sword with that blue and gilt. The hex blade says spanish to me. B&S ha sme confused. ( I know nothing about naval edged weapons. Usually their production paths were completely different from the armys.) You didn't have to tell me about the little shop. Made me cry.... ( :lol: ) A Gill 1796 is worth extra bucks. Any one marked Gill or Osborn is prime British provider. Do you have the scabbards. Big bump up in value if you have the original scabbards. |
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Post by zeroska on Jan 22, 2017 7:16:34 GMT
big bro, can u tell me about my sword that claim to be made in toledo year 1878  |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 22, 2017 10:58:02 GMT
big bro, can u tell me about my sword that claim to be made in toledo year 1878 Gots ta get your pics working first. Personally I load shots on to Photobucket ( I think you can sign up for a free starter account.) Once you have something there. Build your message and click the add photo icon and transfer your Photobucket photo to your message. If the link works your pic will pop in the message right away. This is old school compared to facebook, but it works better for lots of script to accompany the pics. That's why I prefer the old format for presentation. |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Jan 22, 2017 11:01:40 GMT
big bro, can u tell me about my sword that claim to be made in toledo year 1878 How are you trying to load the pics? No link established yet. |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 22, 2017 17:39:57 GMT
I recognize number 4 but I can't place a name on it, the guard and pommel is so familiar to me though, aarerrrgh!
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Post by Croccifixio on Jan 22, 2017 23:18:19 GMT
How apt. My mother was watching a documentary on Spain and called me up out of the blue to tell me how many swords there were in Spain. Then I was chatting with my wife and mentioned the call, and she told me to plan a vacation for Spain this year (she loves the place and can speak the language well enough to get by). Hopefully I can get a good ticket price and scout for antiques when we do go there :)
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 23, 2017 3:46:58 GMT
How apt. My mother was watching a documentary on Spain and called me up out of the blue to tell me how many swords there were in Spain. Then I was chatting with my wife and mentioned the call, and she told me to plan a vacation for Spain this year (she loves the place and can speak the language well enough to get by). Hopefully I can get a good ticket price and scout for antiques when we do go there  Quick Guide for the P1907 Spanish Sword - Pointy Cross - Post 1940's - Unmarked bowls and Lance and sword engravings - Pre - 1940's, German maker marks - Rare and usually prototype models. Fun swords, and a cheap but still awesome alternative to the Patton and British P1908. |
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Post by bfoo2 on Jan 28, 2017 5:19:49 GMT
In my mind, the 1907 Spanish is far superior to the British 1908... namely because you can actually own one!
I find the Patton to be much different from the 1907 Spanish (and therefore presumably the British 1908). The 1907/1908 are really light and nimble- almost like a smallsword that's been lengthened. The Patton has much more mass and authority. The closest thing to it in my collection is rather surprisingly a Cold Steel basket-hilt broadsword!
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 29, 2017 19:19:34 GMT
I took the basket off my PS 1907 to clean it before I sent it off, it handled really neatly and felt like it'd be a decent cutter.
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