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Post by Tater on Jun 1, 2012 23:02:30 GMT
I think I'll eventually get both, but which one should I get first? Shamshir: beautiful sword! I love the elegance and exceptional handling this thing has. The curved blade and wicked potential for deceptive thrusts makes this thing stand up as good as anything for a self defense weapon.. except for a gun ofcourse haha. I can get this from Trueswords for $209 heres a review: www.sword-buyers-guide.com/arab-swords.htmlGrosse Messer: This sword has had many problems in the past, but I have heard many of them have been fixed. I'm tired of Katanas, so this sword will be a pleasant alternative. It has wicked cutting abilities which I like. It will be devastating for a self defense weapon.. but the weight and balance concerns me. The Shamshir is way better in this department. Some say the GM has good balance despite the weight, others say it's a sharpened crowbar.. It looks very rugged and utilitarian which I like, yet the shamshir is very elegant and seems like i can cut all day with it which I also like. review: www.sword-buyers-guide.com/gross-messer.htmlI know it all comes down to personal preference, but I prefer both! Which one would you guys buy first?
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Post by tom555 on Jun 2, 2012 0:16:39 GMT
Despite the problems I've heard about the messer (which I heard they fixed) I would get that one personally. But then I have a liking for such a sword that looks so beefy Don't have either though - so my opinion isn't too valid!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 4:06:41 GMT
If you go with the shamshir, be aware that it has the same blade as the Windlass scimitar. The Cold Steel version isn't that much more expensive anymore, but I find it amusing that they charge any more at all for brass fittings and a "faux buffalo horn" grip lol.
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Post by Tater on Jun 2, 2012 7:47:56 GMT
Plus it's sharpened, which costs money.
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Post by wnydel on Jun 2, 2012 11:10:16 GMT
I own the Grosse Messer and I have had no problems with it at all. Just a great sword. I can't speak for the Shamshir, but I can say I don't think you will be disappointed in the Grosse Messer. It looks great, I have had no structural problems and it is a great cutter. It is a heavy sword, but that probably goes without saying.
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Post by Insane on Jun 2, 2012 11:24:26 GMT
I've handled both, and I want both. But the Shamsirs handling is superb. So that is my favorite.
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Post by LeMal on Jun 2, 2012 14:17:52 GMT
I own both--and love both!!
*I'd* go Shamshir first, if I HAD to choose. But it really depends on what you're looking for.
The GM is a heavy battlefield weapon. In fact it'd be one of my first choices in that case. Some people think of it as a novelty item, but I think that mentality is cracked. It is NOT that different from any other high-end sword of this weight, and more importantly, if some warriors chose a battle axe with the same or greater weight and further out POB, the raw fact is the GM is a perfectly viable choice. It'll destroy whatever it hits. But like any sword of this weight it'll hit slower. If that's what you're identifying with, the techniques of a man in armor in a battlefield situation, as you DEMOLISH things in backyard cutting--go for it! The GM is challenging and loads of fun.
The Shamshir cuts as good as anything I have, and my rehilted one is my absolute favorite sword. But for all its cutting prowess it's a "finesse" weapon. Fast and handy, but the sort of thing where you're visualizing walking around in civilian life, or as light cavalry on horseback, or using as a backup weapon.
That's what I say. Quality on both in outstanding, value for the money is great. But what does your "inner warrior" personality feel more like these days?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 20:36:03 GMT
besides Katanas and rapiers, the Shamshir is my favourite sword type.
And that great episode of M5 Weapons of War, where that quiet spoken forging genious made a Shamshir from real researched Damascus steel, right from scratch(raw engredients in the furnace crucible), really sealed the deal for me.
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Post by DavidW on Jun 7, 2012 5:59:07 GMT
I have the grosse messer, and it's got no problems whatsoever. It doesn't seem that heavy to me...I can swing it indoors and stop the swing when I want to. But then again, I suppose it's all relative; after wielding my DSA Flame of the Angels for a minute, I switch to my GM and it feels light as a feather.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Jun 7, 2012 11:20:38 GMT
I actually was very positively surprised by the "Grosse Messer" (honestly, it should be written "Großes Messer"). Very well made and finished, handling was also much better than expected. Didn't cut with it but I think it'd do pretty good, especially on heavier targets.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2012 9:52:00 GMT
I don't have either but personally i would go for the grosse messer first. But that could just be my own personal taste...and it looks great in its simplicity.
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