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Post by mr.troutz on May 25, 2012 3:45:04 GMT
Hello sbg community, someone may have already asked a similar question but i couldn't find it. What I want to know is how people fought with dao swords. I guess it's european equivalent would be a grosse messer or something along those lines, but i very much doubt it was fought with in this way. any info is awesome
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Post by ride57 on May 25, 2012 7:07:10 GMT
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Post by Lancelot Chan on May 25, 2012 7:43:00 GMT
A single handed dao would be very likely to team with a shield, while double handed dao's techniques were quite different from European and Japanese equivalents. If you're interested, I can tell more about the differences, since I practiced them all. Just dunno if such would bore you out or not.
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Post by mr.troutz on May 25, 2012 20:35:29 GMT
thank you all, I will definitely check out the Chinese longsword site . I would be very much interested in the differences between the weapons, I have a weakness for two handed swords and would be very appreciative for any information you can give me. (You wont bore me )
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Post by Lancelot Chan on May 26, 2012 9:33:27 GMT
Now, nothing is absolute so I only speak in general. There were always exceptions and a wide spectrum to consider.
A Kriegsmesser, due to its heavier hilt components like the solid pommel and large hand guard as well as being more in line with the tradition of European swords construction that featured more distal taper, has a closer point of balance than the oriental equivalent. Its swordsmanship involved techniques that were more intrigued and tightly woven actions in front of the swordsman's body. It has relatively less emphasis on power and more on winning by occupying the best geometry path to reach the opponent. You may say, more fineness.
A Japanese Nodachi would be at a similar or longer length than the Kreigsmesser. It could be weighing from merely 3 lbs to over 6 lbs or even more, depending on the total length. A Nodachi with length around 48" would be on the lighter end of the spectrum though, 3 lbs or more, thus making it lighter than the Kreigsmesser of similar length. However, the POB is much further out, due to 2 factors: A less significant distal taper and a lighter set of hilt components. The results were more powerful cuts. The swordsmanship of Nodachi schools varies quite a lot. One of them was particularly brutal and effective on battlefield, that employed unhardened and unsharpened blade because they kept hitting their opponents and the ground heavily. Regardless, the Japanese style would extend the sword quite far out to out reach their opponents by straightening their wrists. This, however, limited their power output. While still great, was not at the greatest extent.
A 2 handed Chinese single edged sword at 44" or more (to have a compare with Kreigsmesser and Nodachi) could be the straight, broad blade style (including curved blade and canted hilt style) that was heavier in weight, or the curved, slender blade style that was lighter. The two different styles of sword have different emphasis on their techniques, with the straight, broader one being more on the offensive and farther reaching and the curved one more neutral and motioned slightly closer to the body. Compared to Nodachi's schools, Chinese style would not hold the sword with straightened wrists for extended reach, except in thrusts, and would powered more with coiling motions from the waist and the legs. The cuts were done with more slicing motion, drawing the blade back to a position closer to the body and usually more circular in the flows. It also meant the sword spent more time on the side of and behind of the user than the other styles. The sacrifice in the cutting reach was awarded with the extreme power of the cuts and faster delivery speed, due to the smaller radius of arc. Such Chinese techniques were known to be capable of defeating the armor of their opponents, so no special anti-armor techniques were required.
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Post by ineffableone on May 26, 2012 9:56:31 GMT
There was a thread somewhere around on the forum not too long ago about a youtube video series of dao techniques. I can't seem to find it though. *edit found the thread forum.sword-buyers-guide.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=8485 it was hiding in the Sword Training Techniques section, and wasn't in the Chinese sword section like I thought it would be. Though it seems it is the same suggestion as Their youtube channel is www.youtube.com/jackchn
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Post by mr.troutz on May 26, 2012 17:41:29 GMT
thank you lancelot chan, that was incredibly informative, i had never known too much about teh subtle differences between the weapons.you are awesome, +1 . I will also check out that sword training section you mentioned ineffableone, thank you for that you guys are the reason I love the sbg community
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