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Post by SGT_crum on May 3, 2012 23:59:41 GMT
So i been looking on sinosword.com at their custom katana maker and i noticed they have a choice of laminations, maru, sanmai, and kobuse, kobuse can only be done with tamahagane or 1095 folded steel, which makes it more expensive. my question is thus "is kobuse lamination worth paying the extra for the more expensive steel"
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 4, 2012 0:03:16 GMT
it will make a far better story to tell...
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Post by SGT_crum on May 4, 2012 0:05:46 GMT
i know maru is the worst lamination of the types, but what are the main differences between sanmai and kobuse in terms of durability and such
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 4, 2012 0:10:06 GMT
I wouldn't say that it is. Most lamination methods were developed in order to compensate for qualities that were inherently lacking in the available steels at a certain time so that they could withstand the rigors of use. It is not necessary these days, and is mostly done for the sake of being able to say that you have a sword made to those specifications. I'm not sure why they wont do it with less expensive steels. San Mai will also lend some of the qualities of Kobuse, as well as demonstrate the often attractive lamination lines that kobuse shows. Durability will be negligible.
Maru isn't the worst, just the most common and least expensive.
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Post by SGT_crum on May 4, 2012 0:20:48 GMT
Havent talked to you in awhile lol. so its $326 for just 1095 steel, if i want kobuse i need folded 1095 steel, which ups to about 400, my question is sanmai for 330 or kobuse for 400
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 4, 2012 0:39:08 GMT
I'd personally opt for the sanmai. Kobuse doesn't offer enough of an advantage anywhere(except bragging rights, that is,) to justify the giant leap in price. Folded also no longer affords any advantage besides looks, and in fact opens the door wider for potential flaws.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 4, 2012 0:39:52 GMT
I'm also a cheapskate, as well.
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Post by SGT_crum on May 4, 2012 0:53:54 GMT
hahaha i think everyone is with the economy nowadays
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 4, 2012 1:37:20 GMT
there are 2 Ryan Swords that have complected lamination that Im thinking over at this time....they are kinda on the list anyway....
I have always wanted a sword made out of a few different forms of steel...
I think it would make a fine addition to your sword rack
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Post by SGT_crum on May 4, 2012 1:43:37 GMT
oh no doubt it'll make a fine addition, especially since my Army NCO sword just came in, dont let the name fool ya, i been promoted to sergeant
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 4, 2012 1:51:12 GMT
Nice! You should PM one of the moderators and have your name changed to Sgt_ crum. They'll do it.
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Post by SGT_crum on May 4, 2012 3:13:58 GMT
lol maybe i should
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Post by SGT_crum on May 4, 2012 14:23:49 GMT
Sword type::Katana Blade Steel:1095 Steel Steel Construction:Sanmai Blade Shape:Shinogi-Zukuri Blade Length:28 inches Blade Polishing:Mirror Polish Hi/Bohi(Groove):Single Hamon: Midare(random) Kissaki Type::O-Kissaki(large) Edge:Razor-sharp Yokote:Ornamental Yokote Tsuka Length:14 inches Ito/sageo:B-5 Dark Green Same(rayskin):White Tsukamaki:Katate maki(Battle style) Saya:Rayskin saya SayaColor: Black with red spots Tsuba(guard): H-1 Fuchi/kashira: C-25 Menuki: # 5 Habaki: #13 PackingBag: Satin PackingBox: Satin wood
Total price comes to $226 + $65 shipping to my door
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Post by Adrian Jordan on May 4, 2012 15:41:31 GMT
That's a pretty dang good price. I can't wait to see it realized.
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Post by Jakeonthekob on May 4, 2012 17:03:49 GMT
In all honesty getting a lamination will only be for aesthetics because the steel the forges are using are already extremely pure.
The traditional Japanese smiths only came up with different lamination types to try to mess around with edge retention, toughness, durability, etc.
First I say get the maru (monosteel) blade because performance wise, it's on par or better than a laminated/folded steel blade of the same carbon content. IF you absolutely want a lamination, then get kobuse. Sanmai and other lamination methods are not forged extremely well for chinese forges (trust me, I know). The simpler the better is the general rule when ordering from Chinese forges.
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 4, 2012 18:36:18 GMT
One of my goals before this ride is over is to own a katana that is made with a blade with hard steel over a softer steel.
I want to be able to hold in my hands and cut with it so i can learn for myself if there is a difference in feel and effect?
Thus whenever I hear of someone who is thinking about getting such a blade for himself Im always very supportive of them . I very much hope you do get such a blade.
I would very much like to hear your reflections about the blade later too!
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Post by SGT_crum on May 5, 2012 5:26:38 GMT
Ill be sure to post full reviews when i get it
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Post by Opferous on May 5, 2012 7:35:17 GMT
Best of luck with your purchase. Just be sure to check for delamination before you start any cutting.
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Post by Kumdoalan on May 5, 2012 12:59:43 GMT
I have went a few times to their website but I cant find where they list their price for anything?
How does a person find out the price?
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Post by SGT_crum on May 5, 2012 15:09:14 GMT
Thanks for the advice, ill be sure to fully inspect it when it arrives.
@kumodoalan: i believe you have to contact them with an email inquiry. when i submitted the inquiry for my custom i recieved an email a short time later from jkoosword with the price
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