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Post by greggomonkey on Apr 23, 2012 23:40:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 4:22:55 GMT
Welcome to the forum!
First of all: what exactly are you looking for in your first sword? The ones you listed don't have much in common besides the manufacturer.
Darkswords are tough, but they're somewhat ahistorical and a bit overweight even compared to other options within their price range. If you want to use it for cutting, then you'll likely have to sharpen it yourself as the stock sharpening is very dull.
I don't know if Kult of Athena is an option in Canada but if it is you might want to order from them, as they have a slight discount and offer a sharpening service.
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Post by lamebmx on Apr 25, 2012 16:18:07 GMT
I will throw a couple cents in on koreanguys post;
If you have never cut before, tough and heavy will help you get through the learning curve. Just keep it in the back of your head that it is not how a proper sword will feel. After you have dropped the sword, bent it on cuts and stopped hitting the stand every now and then. get yourself a more proper handling sword. IME (with eastern swords) the proper handling ones do not handle the abuse as well as the tough durable cutters. But they are much more pleasurable and better cutting.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Apr 25, 2012 16:28:45 GMT
[quote="lamebmx" If you have never cut before, tough and heavy will help you get through the learning curve. [/quote]
I disagree. What it will do is to teach you bad habits such as over swinging, etc. Correct technique isn't likely to come out of owning a sword-like steel bar as you first blade. I'd advise you to decide on a sword type (i.e. longsword, bastard, single hander, etc) and then choose the fitting H/T sword. They will also survive most if not all flubbed cuts and the occasional stand-bashing while performing like a sword. This makes learning correct movements, etc much easier and you won't have to exhaustingly un-learn things you picked up by using an steel bar instead of a proper sword.
Then, when you know how a real sword feels like and are decent at using it you can still get a DSA for the hell of it. They can be fun but you should really get something else in the beginning as this first sword will deeply shape your feelings and impressions regarding this kind of weapon.
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Post by lamebmx on Apr 25, 2012 16:33:22 GMT
I was unaware that DSA's were that heavy and poor handling for the western swords. I got the impression they were kind of like the western sword version of tenchi's, on the heavy and poor handling side of acceptable.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Apr 25, 2012 22:58:45 GMT
Well, to be fair, I haven't handled the new models yet but the swords I have had in hands were just that, a heavy, tough bar of steel with pseudo edges and a somewhat sword-like shape. Since the OP did include some of the older models in his list, I though it appropriate to let him know this.
While the tenchi certainly is a pretty beefy sword and not exactly on the very well-handling side, it still is an incredible cutter and for its weight handles well enough. I don't think it can b compared to the DSA I have handled. None of those was a good cutter at best.
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Post by lamebmx on Apr 25, 2012 23:14:26 GMT
Cool, I am glad to stand corrected.
I have owned 2 tenchi's now, and I loved the first with no-hi enough to regret selling it (happened at the exact moment my buddy bent my KC). So I picked up the bo-hi version. It comes a lot closer in the handling department. I do agree to everything said about the tenchi, including its amazing level of toughness. Nice to have a sword around you can pretty much let anyone cut without worries.
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Post by greggomonkey on Apr 25, 2012 23:20:43 GMT
Well I have felt it would be beneficial to get a decently strong sword that I wouldn't mind bashing around. However I see your point that learning proper form before would be beneficial.
I was thinking about a VA sword, namely the Castille, practical longsword or Kriegshwerzaderzahowzitwhateveryacallzit. THoughts?
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Apr 26, 2012 12:30:52 GMT
The Kriegschwert would be the closest to what you want I think. Maybe also the H/T GSoW. Both are sturdy blades that handle with authority and are massive enough to withstand most abuse. In fact, I'd say you would be very happy with a Kriegschwert. It's a great cutter, too. Good luck finding one though...
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Post by greggomonkey on Apr 26, 2012 22:07:14 GMT
My only reservation on the Kriegshwert is that it is a bit on the expensice side, part of my interest in DSA is that they are tough and cheap. That and I could buy a sword and a dagger from DSA for a similar price to the Krieg.
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Post by lamebmx on Apr 27, 2012 9:39:21 GMT
normally more people pipe in with banter. if its your first sword you really wont understand/recognize the differences. i wish more people familiar with the western swords would pipe in for you. Going with the conversation me and chenessfan had in this thread, you probably want to avoid them at least for a first sword. I think of how the Tenchi handled vs a cheap musashi. Then I try to imagine something heavier and not right and i can really see his point. I also remember a DSA for sale in the classified and asked the owner if it would be good as a "weapon representative of the styles handling" and he said it was not. back to the eastern swords, they are much more pleasurable to cut with the more accurate blades, and much more pleasurable to put in the practice time learning to cut involves. i am at about 6 months of daily practice and just beginning to see how much i have to learn. i probably would not have been as consistent and looked forward to practicing every single day if i had to use the tenchi to do it instead of the lighter musashi.
I hope this post is long and vague enough to get you really thinking about the different points in what you want to get.
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Post by greggomonkey on Apr 27, 2012 22:28:25 GMT
THanks. While I am not a Katana person in the least I feel that the points are transferable. I am thinking about a VA now, they are more expensive but if it costs more to develop proper form then so be it. As long as my form is proper I can just adjust to a heavier sword instead of learning proper form after I have already picked up bad habits.
THanks either way, What I really want is a 40 ish inch sword with a leaf blade. One handed. But I see no practical options for this unfortunately, and most leaf blades are more pronounced than what I prefer.
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