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Post by chuckinohio on Mar 20, 2013 15:06:30 GMT
Way to represent brother. The SRK is one handy little piece of steel, I like mine quite a bit. OK, a WHOLE LOT. By the way, I've seen you lurking around over on bladeforums snagging a knife or two off the exchange BigGorilla.
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Post by BIGGORILLAINK on Mar 23, 2013 2:28:22 GMT
Thx, Chuck for the money the SRK is one heck of a knife. I first thought I was small but it's very substantial for the size. I have find myself hopelessly addicted to knifes there is so many options and styles available. This all started with the Cold Steel Spartan I bought from Odingaard .The blade forum has vastly become a burden on my wallet lately but I've been on a sword hiatus for awhile with 2 customs on order. :? Keeping with the thread I'm really liking fox knives lately this one in particular. It's a sweet blade tat fits well in the combat category. ... x1SqcVhAvsAnd he is playing GNR what more could you ask.
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Post by chuckinohio on Mar 25, 2013 13:53:03 GMT
Checkout the K-Bar Beckers man.
Good knives, good prices, and they really wring out quite well.
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Post by oolong dao on Mar 25, 2013 14:44:10 GMT
Not sure if i posted here before...
the best combat knife is a odd question, honestly i'd go for the closest thing to a sword you could get. I dislike kabars due their lack of a full tang.
so if i had to pick a pre existing design, pesh kabz.
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Post by Helleri on May 1, 2013 5:56:11 GMT
Any knife that is good as nothing else but a weapon (such as a Khukuri, Katar, Chakram, Pugio, Janbiya). If it's design is so inclined towards lethality that it is fail at any practical job... That is the best combat knife you can have.
I saw back on a knife while good for sawing, only makes it harder to pull out after stabbing, A drop point that has a false edge (as apposed to a drop point without a false edge) makes for easier notching and hole drilling; But, makes a blade tip more likely to snap off in a wound...features on a knife that are made for utility are not usually good for combat.
So, a knife that was made with only killing (and doing so quickly, efficiently or in a particularly gruesome way) in mind is the best kind of combat knife. If it's primary purpose was always to make living things dead. It will be better then one designed with other things in mind as well.
However, the more particular blades require knowing how they are meant to be used and using them right in order for them to be effective. in the hands of an amateur a katana looses out against a stake knife in the hands of a pro.
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Post by Talon on May 1, 2013 6:17:16 GMT
A Khukuri or Kukri is actually a very versatile general use knife,the hill farmers of Nepal use it every day.It just also doubles as an extremely lethal combat blade,but that comes second to it's use as a general purpose camp/kitchen knife.
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Post by Helleri on May 1, 2013 6:25:13 GMT
I own a Nepalese Khukuri...I have tried to use it as a machete, hatchet, and butcher knife...it doesn't work nearly as well as any other blade made to do those jobs and barely gets through any one of those tasks. But a can stick it in a target board at 25-35 feet with no effort. and where it can't fillet or slice meat in the normal motion of cutting in a kitchen setting, the arching of top heavy curved tip will take a hanging turkey apart nicely (swinging it in combat is far different then using it in a kitchen). Also you have to side grip it with your thumb locked over the top or likely risk breaking your wrist.
In my experience with my own Khukuri (my pillow blade)...it is only for killing...not that you totally can't get it to do anything else. just your far better suited picking up the right tool for the job over counting on it to serve as a utility knife outside of combat. Any thing you would do with it besides fighting feels forced and not as a natural part of it's function.
All the information I have seen for it as a traditional kitchen knife or utility knife seems to be copy pasted from a wikipedia article (and imo wikipedia is not a reliable source). I tend to think such claims of it as that kind of knife are more a national pride thing then being realistic.
The angles one it is for stabbing and slashing what the angles on a Luger parabellum are for shooting. I think any use of it as a tool is strained and not natural...something to push on tourists 'yeah it's good for everything'. I rely on this blade to open a throat if need be, not a can of soup.
It's my favorite knife for what it does, and a very personal and sentimental blade for me. advertising it for what it's not all that good for does it a disservice. It's like calling a gladiators' scissor, an excellent cheese slicer.
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Post by Onimusha on May 1, 2013 16:16:29 GMT
My ka bar's tang extends through its pomel and is pinned through the pomel.
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Post by Talon on May 1, 2013 17:17:16 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Helleri .I also own a kukri ( a british service mk1 to be exact) as do thousands of other people who enjoy bushcraft,and the kukri works fine for me and for a lot of other people as a general camp knife. Also i disagree that it's only function in Nepal is as a weapon.Here's a clip that shows the kukri in the kitchen.The knife is arguably one of the most devastating combat knives ever made,but it's not restricted to just combat.It's utility role is well known and documented.
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Post by Helleri on May 1, 2013 18:30:37 GMT
I'll agree to disagree... But, it's really hard for me (and especially since that video is at 2-3x normal playback speed masking the difficulty of using it for that over just having picked up the right knife for the job) However, I don't think that you would disagree that some knives Were made for combat and combat alone...something like a Javanese or Sumatran Keris (if there is a contention raised on that ima drop a brick). And, that such knives being designated solely for combat have advantages to their form and method of application over knives made for multipurpose/utility with the thought of being used for combat as only one part of their design or almost an after thought. And, yes who is using what blade come into play. But, I think there is such a thing as one blade being naturally better for combat then another (aside from who is using it).
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Post by Talon on May 1, 2013 18:47:07 GMT
Well i just quickly threw that video up to show what the kukri can do besides mortal wounding . I'm in complete agreement about certain knives being designed for one task.The Fairbairn Sykes commando knife being a good example,excellent as a combat knife but absolutely useless for anything other than killing.
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Post by Helleri on May 1, 2013 19:12:52 GMT
The quintessential boot knife, agreed. And, there is even a problem that arises when efficient killing designs are over appreciated and converted into highly ornate officers pieces that are useless for anything but show (well some of them like those crazy ornate German daggers are still pretty lethal usually).
When a design is done too well it is often the first thing you'll see become a decoration piece... For instance there was a machete made by HeroEdge, was about a 24 inch blade and 5 inch handle...completely inflexible too. But, the one I owned I could lop right through a 3 inch sapling with in one good swing. even did light work very nicely.
I hate my Gerber machete I have now. It cam without even a grind for the edge put on it...like wth? So, all i could find in ,looking for this machete I used to own was a scaled down junkier version being sold as the book of eli blade (which i am not buying, because it simply is not the right one. looks just like that but a whole lot bigger). It's got pleather wrapping done as bad as it was in the movie, is a good number of inches shorter. seems to have a less delicate curvature. and is not as thick.
but yeah once found a great machete, I go back to look for another one just like it and i find only a diminutive version of what it once was floating about.
A movie piopularized it and it became (in my opinion) junk. So, you goto be careful too, need to make sure no matter what kind of combat knife you get that it isn't full of cheap tricks or a remake of an older better version.
Like a knife with a cheap powder coat that scratches off instead of one with a thick enamel. or if it's a folder make sure the blade doesn't knock up against the pins. Or on a tanto-esc one make sure that the beveling is on both sides and it isn't just flat on one side...buying so called 'combat knives' online or in a knife shop in my experience means looking extra carefully.
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Post by GUEST on May 1, 2013 19:16:12 GMT
Kukri are general purpose utility knives in Nepal that are used as combat knives, just like fillipno swords/machetes. Today a good combat can be used for mutli tasks just not killing. I will say double edge knives are much good for anything but killing.
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Post by Helleri on May 1, 2013 19:24:38 GMT
The Philippines are separated by over 2000 miles and several countries, and two seas/minor regions of oceans from Nepal...Khukuri does not = Bolo. And, in so much are fairly incomparable. especially considering that your making an example between knives vs. swords (mostly swords).
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Post by Talon on May 1, 2013 20:29:23 GMT
Helleri. Try keeping a looser grip on your kukri when you swing it.The weight of the knife should do the work.If you grip it too tightly you wont be using it to it's full effectiveness.Keeping a looser grip when you're chopping lets the blade swing more freely,this takes a lot of stress off your wrist and enables the design of the knife to be used to better effect. The kukri is flared at the base of the grip to enable a looser hold without the risk of the knife flying out of your hand. Sharpening is also very important on these knives.Mine has a more durable edge on most of the belly,but the last 4 inches of the tip and also the inner curve are paper cutting sharp. I also ground out the cho on mine (the notch near the grip),i ground it out to a semi circle,it makes an excellent striker for a fire steel. The knife is very versatile but it requires some practice.Granted it's not for everyone,but for a northern European climate it compares favorably to a hatchet whilst also doing most knife chores,couple it with a small 3 to 4 inch fixed blade and you're pretty much set.The Karda (small knife) that comes with them are pretty naff usually. Like i said it's not for everyone,but it's much more than just an effective combat blade
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Post by GUEST on May 1, 2013 21:03:16 GMT
Trying to make a point knives people use for combat, are used for other things more often. Yes the countries are far a part, trying to make a point you can't not see. Learn more about the nepalese use their knives. The length of fillipino swords aren't much longer than a kukri.
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Post by Talon on May 1, 2013 21:20:37 GMT
Fallen's right there.Most often the most dangerous object a squaddies knife will see is a can of beans.There's much more effective means of engaging an enemy,a 5.56 spring's to mind.While we're on the subject i have to say that i can't stand these modern tacticool Rambo blades. :x . In the trenches of WW1 all manner of close combat weapons were employed.They didn't have fancy paint schemes or useless pointy grinds.What they did have though was well thought out practical designs for the intended purpose. Give me a simple well made /hardened and tempered knife any day over the glut of $%^$ that sweeps the internet .Sorry guys stripey paint schemes and pointless points really wind me up on knives .Right i'm off to bed before i make a total fool of myself :?
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Post by Rifleman Lizard on May 1, 2013 21:44:57 GMT
Fairbairn Sykes hands down. It is easy to use, has a comfortable and versatile grip, short enough to be properly balanced as a commando knife and isn't clumsy or encumbering. It is short enough to properly conceal but long enough to reach and fatally puncture or sever all major organs and arteries. The poniard-like tip is perfect for thrusting making it ideal for covert and overt use. The blade is double edged, instantly making it more versatile as a killing tool, not to mention the opening of knife fighting styles and techniques not suited to single edged knives. It sports no extras, bells or whistles but as a weapon specifically designed as a combat knife; I'll chose the FS every time. I also like the khukuri but the properly spined blades are closer to axes than anything else! Both classics! Edit: Having just read through this thread again I realise I've repeated myself! I must be losing it. :evil:
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Post by Timo Nieminen on May 1, 2013 21:52:56 GMT
The keris is mostly a ritual object, not a combat blade.
Plenty of pure combat knives: most daggers, large fighting bowies, push knives, and many, many more. Where a lot of these win over utility blades is ease of carry and concealability, for the small ones, or lightness and speed for a given length for the large ones, and usually better stabbing.
I've used kukris as camp knives and woodworking tools. Good hatchet substitute, and works as a draw knife too. Some are more tool, and others are more purely fighting knives, and some are ritual knives. They all look superficially similar, but they are diverse.
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Post by Talon on May 1, 2013 22:04:07 GMT
i'f we're purely talking combat/lethality the Sykes has to rank up there,Absolutely useless as an everyday blade ,but for lethality it's a perfect combat knife.
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