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Post by u02rjs4 on Apr 4, 2012 21:13:54 GMT
I'm going to get some pics up tomorrow night but if anyone has any info it would help me. I have a russian shasqua from the 30's in fairly good condition. I'm thinking of selling it locally and was wondering how much its vaguely worth. ( Looks very similar to the weapon edge copy)
thanks
p.s i will post for sale on this site as well incase anyone is interested.
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Apr 4, 2012 21:35:24 GMT
Well can't say much without seeing pictures, and this sword type is not in my area of expertise.
However depending on the type the price will vary a lot. There are some models which are much sought after by collectors, you just need to know. Many finnish collectors buy shashkas and that's how I've seen some of them. But I can't give you any estimate on the price.
However if your shashka is very similar to Weapons Edge model, you might have M1929 (not sure if I'm referring to correct model). Again I may be completely wrong on types and so.
When you take pictures, do include all the marks, as these mean a lot to those that collect shashka. After seeing pictures I can try to offer more help.
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Post by jhart06 on Apr 4, 2012 21:40:18 GMT
Someone let Kilted Cossack know about this, or he's apt to curse all our names.
As for the value, I've no clue, but I know shasquas have a small, if near fanatical following on here.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 4, 2012 23:57:58 GMT
CURSE YOU ALL!
(Um, someone call me?)
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Post by jhart06 on Apr 5, 2012 0:33:41 GMT
Figured when someone has an actual shasqua our local fanatic should be notified.
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Post by u02rjs4 on Apr 5, 2012 16:38:30 GMT
ok got some pics appears to be a 1934 model. any thoughts? |
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Post by somewhat on Apr 5, 2012 18:35:02 GMT
Jaysus :shock:
I'm no expert on this, but in that condition I'm going to say it's worth 800 quid or more! She's a beaut!
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Apr 5, 2012 20:01:38 GMT
Well I'll fine tune my earlier opinion now as pics have came up. Although I do not have access to my books currently, well they don't have that much info on shashkas anyway.
I believe that is Cavalry Shashka Model 1927 (that was the model I meant previously). When it comes to finer parts I'm just not skilled enough to give proper info. However I believe one side has inspection mark and date for 1934. Again, I might be wrong, don't know much about these.
Hopefully someone will be able to give you info on those markings.
I don't give a price estimate, however it's easy to do some research and see what is usually asked for similar swords. I suppose there was info on what affect on military sword prices on some page or forum. Giving out condition estimates (what it has to be for mint, near mint, very good etc.) and what wear and tear will affect the most.
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Post by Kilted Cossack on Apr 5, 2012 20:47:05 GMT
Zlatourst Military Factory (Oborronnaya Fabrika), 1934.
That's nice indeed.
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Post by u02rjs4 on Apr 5, 2012 21:19:01 GMT
any idea of a price range i should be asking?
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Post by Svadilfari on Apr 5, 2012 21:49:43 GMT
Thats one nice looking piece  I know nothing about shasqua's, aprt from them being Russian. But I have one question..is a shaqua slung edge up, like a japanese Katana is carried ? I'm asking..because that pic of the scabbard looks like it would carry that way, given the orientaion of the carry ring. Or could it be that the ring has been placed on the scabbard upside down ?? |
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Post by u02rjs4 on Apr 5, 2012 22:18:23 GMT
i don't know about all shasqua's but i believe this model is meant to be worn like a katana. The reason i think this is because the scabbard has holes for a bayonet to fit into. I can't see the bayonet being on the inside as it would be awkward to get out.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Apr 5, 2012 22:35:39 GMT
Try posting $1250.00 with a make offer option. Online shaska prices are all over the place. $900.00 wholesale average.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2012 22:37:38 GMT
Hey u02, unfortunately that's one nice looking shashka but it looks awfully familiar to this one sbgswordforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=7378. So as you pointed it out in your first posts, it is highly likely it is a WeaponEdge repro. There are some ways to know if it is: the type of leather of the scabbard and the 1934 date which is not supposed to exist, I think. I'll need to check with my sources and get back on this. An I confirm the way to carry the shashka was, like the katanas, the opposite way, like in this image.  |
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Post by Dave Kelly on Apr 5, 2012 22:41:58 GMT
One of these days I'm gonna look at the WEI page before opening my big mouth....
That's really too close for comfort.
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Post by u02rjs4 on Apr 5, 2012 23:22:58 GMT
i did check out the weaponedge model and although similair some of the engraving is a bit different in its execution. The small hammer and sickle on the blade isn't as accurate. One of the stamps on the brass is a different way up. Also the brass bayonet fixings on the scabbard are in a different place to the WE. I bought this sword from a militaria shop ten years ago and the guy sells a lot of swords so all in all i'm fairly sure its genuine and WE have done a very good copy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 3:17:59 GMT
hey u02, I really hate to say this but the more I inform on the 1934 shashka, the more I believe it is a repro. Just by having a look at this one; www.ebay.com/itm/RUSSIAN-MODEL-1927-SHASHKA-BAYONET-RKKA-SABER-SWORD-/220990151649 you can see how Weaponedge have done a tremendously good job in terms of accuracy for the 1927 pattern. Now take at look at these and notice the different stamps and unit numbers (as well as the hammer and sickle symbols) : www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8620679www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8282Between the WE shashka and the ones on the link the only different thing are the stamped numbers, right? That is the main problem: every number and marking on yours match the one on the SBG review. Since these are regimental property each sword should have a different identification number (especially for trooper shashka such as these) which is not the case here: you have the identical numbers as another shashka. Same unit, same trooper, same year? In a military context where each weapon is distinguishable to others this is simply not right. Either you are extremely lucky and have the original shashka that Indian makers used as a model to do their shashkas or it is one of their repros. But then again there are other indicators such as the metal staining which is highly unusual for russian shashkas and the stamps that are a little too clean to have been ''military struck''. That you bought this from a trusted seller is not the best indication: some repros like this one are done so well it is extremely hard to notice the difference between a real and a fake. |
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Post by u02rjs4 on Apr 6, 2012 9:22:44 GMT
Thanks for everyone's help. I did mention the scabbard brass fixings are in a different position on my one to the WE. I'm going to take it to a valuer today and maybe they can shed some light on it. Its not a fancy weapon so i believe it could be the sword WE copied as a lot may have been churned out. I do except the possibility its a fake. I think its easier for me to see the different style of the stamps in person which is why i think its more likely to be real. The cccp symbol on the hit for example has a more rounded border than a pointed one on the WE. Very minor differences but every area seems to have a tiny minute difference which gives me hope. If the valuer okays it i may try and sell it on ebay with a note of caution and let the buyers make up their own mind if its real or not.
cheers
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Post by K. Vander Linde on Jun 23, 2012 20:03:42 GMT
I'd say around $200. these are not a uncommon item. That being said yours is in excellent condition and can get you more than 200 if you find the right collector. Wish you luck.
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Post by MOK on Jul 6, 2012 14:39:51 GMT
Yeah, IME these early 20th Century military pattern shashqas go for 200-400€ most of the time, depending on type and condition. They were mass produced for quite a while by both Imperial Russia and the Soviet Union, and aren't exactly rare.
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I know nothing about shasqua's, aprt from them being Russian. But I have one question..is a shaqua slung edge up, like a japanese Katana is carried ? I'm asking..because that pic of the scabbard looks like it would carry that way, given the orientaion of the carry ring. Or could it be that the ring has been placed on the scabbard upside down ??
