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Ninjadave89
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Tang pics of 1895 pattern officers sword. Feb 26, 2012 16:04:22 GMT

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Post by Ninjadave89 on Feb 26, 2012 16:04:22 GMT

I have recently become interested in British military swords of the Victorian era up to the early 20th century, and wanted to know what the tangs on these antique swords were like. I've had an 1895 pattern (I think) infantry officers sword in my collection for a while and recently decided to take it apart and have a look inside, and thought I might as well take some photos.

I was very impressed by how substantial the tang was. It was very thick, over double the thickness of a windlass tang and had good rounded shoulders. I've never seen the tangs on these type of swords so I found it quite interesting. Here are some more pics.

Kilted Cossack Member Posts: 1,113	Tang pics of 1895 pattern officers sword. Feb 26, 2012 19:24:05 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Kilted Cossack on Feb 26, 2012 19:24:05 GMT Yup, that's a dang solid looking tang right there.
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Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0	Tang pics of 1895 pattern officers sword. Feb 28, 2012 6:03:00 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 6:03:00 GMT Very interesting. I didn't know that they had the machinery to thread tangs back then, though I suppose 1895 is pretty late in the century.

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Tang pics of 1895 pattern officers sword. Feb 28, 2012 12:22:30 GMT

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Post by Kilted Cossack on Feb 28, 2012 12:22:30 GMT

KoreanGuy wrote
Very interesting. I didn't know that they had the machinery to thread tangs back then, though I suppose 1895 is pretty late in the century.

Ha! Those go back quite a bit farther than 1895, KoreanGuy. I knew I'd run across the information in the past, but with only a 'starting level' of coffee in my bloodstream, this was the first source I could come up with. www.myarmoury.com/review_ebe_hanger.html

Relevant extract:

To emphasize his point, he has created a pommel nut of the type found on some hangers made at the famous Hounslow factory in the 1630s and 1640s. This consists of a pierced globular capstan atop a threaded tube that passes through the pommel cap and screws onto the end of the threaded tang of the blade, holding the weapon together. A threaded tang? Isn't that heresy as far as historical sword construction is concerned? Hardly. This particular method, which facilitates replacement of a damaged blade, secured many swords and hangers of the period. The small screw that secures the end of the knuckel-bow to the pommel cap also may raise the eyebrows of those more accustomed to medieval swords, but this feature, too, was common on swords of the period.

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Tang pics of 1895 pattern officers sword. Feb 28, 2012 14:53:37 GMT

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Post by MrAcheson on Feb 28, 2012 14:53:37 GMT

KoreanGuy wrote
Very interesting. I didn't know that they had the machinery to thread tangs back then, though I suppose 1895 is pretty late in the century.

Cutting a thread into a tang isn't difficult. Even before the tap and die or machine lathe, you could do it with a file and a simple guide. That's is how they made screws for centuries until the industrial revolution. Threaded tangs have been around since at least the Renaissance.

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Tang pics of 1895 pattern officers sword. Feb 29, 2012 0:30:13 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2012 0:30:13 GMT

Ah I see. I didn't think that they were completely incapable of doing it, just that the idea wasn't around or that making them by hand would be time consuming with little advantages. The replacement blade thing makes sense though.

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Tang pics of 1895 pattern officers sword. Feb 29, 2012 12:13:32 GMT

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Post by MrAcheson on Feb 29, 2012 12:13:32 GMT

It's not just a replacement blade. Screw on pommels also allowed the sword to be taken down for maintenance. The hilts can also be easily tightened if they loosen unlike peened pommels. Screw on pommels have the Tiffany Problem though, they generally look too modern even though they're actually period correct for many swords.

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Tang pics of 1895 pattern officers sword.

Post by Ninjadave89 on Feb 26, 2012 16:04:22 GMT

Post by Kilted Cossack on Feb 26, 2012 19:24:05 GMT

Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2012 6:03:00 GMT

Post by Kilted Cossack on Feb 28, 2012 12:22:30 GMT

Post by MrAcheson on Feb 28, 2012 14:53:37 GMT

Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2012 0:30:13 GMT

Post by MrAcheson on Feb 29, 2012 12:13:32 GMT

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