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Post by Joe Shield on Feb 7, 2012 4:10:33 GMT
Has anyone out there seen the 464 in person yet? For those that dont know, its a 30-30 level action tactical rifle. Looks funky as sin and just out for opinions on it
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Post by Alexander on Feb 8, 2012 11:31:16 GMT
Never seen one so I went on to GunBroker to check it out. Cheap enough not all that bad looking. Though I am not a fan of Mossbergs. I would be concerned as it looks like they used that same miserable safety they use on their shotguns.
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Post by Odingaard on Feb 8, 2012 18:20:40 GMT
I don't get heated to frequently about firearms threads, but I need to vent on this weapon. No offense here, but in my humble opinion, this is one of the dumbest tactical firearm ideas I have ever seen a manufacturer make. Let's ask some general, common sense questions:
Why go retro when there have been been all many tactical improvement out there? Why use a moderately expensive round that is not stockpiled by the police and military? Why use a firearm with only a 6 round capacity? Why not use something with a detachable magazine which can be reloaded in seconds? Why buy something you could almost never find parts for?
To each their own, but the whole zombie apocalypse is making for some ignorant firearms designs. These weapons are only made for the cool factor, not because they are based on tested and perfected tactical designs. These types of weapons are range toys, not what you would want to use if sh*t actually hit the fan. My point here is that these types of weapons are almost a type of covert disinformation spewed out to make people stay away from tactically sound firearms and calibers.
"Yes, go buy a pump-action .45 long colt. It's what you want to kill zombies with, best thing ever, I seen it in a movie. Don't do the logical thing and buy mil-spec weapons and calibers the governement or military uses. Those are not cool enough, and the powers that be are much happier when you don't have weapons which use their ammo, accessories, and such. This way, when TEOTWAWKI arrives - you'll be stuck unable to use any military or LEO stockpiles you come across."
As for the price, I'd rather have a used Glock in 9mm, .40, of .45. They more reliable, more concealable, have greater capacity, and has a larger range of ammunition. Or, for a less expensive price, just go with a standard Mossberg 500A with a pistol grip. These can be found all around my area in the $200-$250 range. You could then add a tactical forearm and such at your leisure, these are readily available and inexpensive accessories to 'tacticool' it out. Or something in 5.56mm or 7.62mm, such as a KelTec or SKS rifle. Or even one of the newer tactical .22LRs, where you could carry 1,000rds of ammo in your back pocket.
The .30-30 is a great hunting round, I've used it deer hunting for years. But, its's not a very good tactical round. Sure, it will kill whatever you shoot it at, but the platforms available just do not support the high-capacity, rapid fire, reliable kind of weapon you'd need in an emergency.
The whole Zombie Apocalypse fad has gotten to the point of hilarity. It's almost if some of these designers are simply pulling ideas from TV and movies, and not practical experience in combating large mobs of sh*t. :lol:
Ok, I am done. Nothing personal here, it's just that I think the whole Mossberg mindset is going in the way wrong direction with their ZMB weapon line.
*gets off soapbox and shuffles off*
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Post by Neovenetar on Feb 8, 2012 18:50:55 GMT
Well said, if I want a lever action, I want something that looks 19th century. Not a freaking piece of plastic with a badly attached retractable stock!
That said, if there was a shorter barrelled version in .45, and the stock could come off.... maybe we have a deal. :lol:
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Post by Alexander on Feb 8, 2012 19:51:39 GMT
Whoa, when I went to look at the gun I dropped the ZMB. What came up was a normal looking lever action with wood stock. After seeing the response I went back and looked again with ZMB. Forget what I said before (except for the safety thing) this thing is just ridiculous and makes absolutely no sense for its intended purpose.
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Post by Bulvoy on Feb 9, 2012 3:48:17 GMT
Im in agreement with Odingaard, " pull up another box for me "while the zombie craze is popular and a fun idea to toy with myself cracking jokes etc , the line of products are getting a little out of control. To consider a lever action as described etc as tactical is for the fool-hardy. Reality, if there was an end to civilzation as we know it , use your head no sense in having exotic " hard- to- acuire ' calibers/ low capacity etc, use common as your supply would vanish and you would have to cannibalize ammo, parts wherever. myself weapon wise would be heading out the door with my old Army gear, knives, my Ronin dojo pro, Sig Sauer .40 ( although 9mm is great all around caliber, especially in a glock i think 9mm provides false security, from my personal background)/ H & R Pardner 12-gauge pump & my fav Mini 14- .223- chambered ( that i'd bet they are the most common round in the US and are EVERYWHERE) lol. Yeah its an entertaining idea , but the market is getting absurd at times with everything, ok i'll pipe down myself now too
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Post by Joe Shield on Feb 10, 2012 20:17:02 GMT
I love the heated discussions on zombie load outs, the other thread with the survival shotgun got me laughing a load too.
What gets me is the same as the other guys I guess, the tacti-cool phase has gone pretty wild with everything thesedays. Whereas I do like the look of the rifle (sure I like some tacky things), I agree that it would make a poor survival kit item. Sure it will shoot, 30-30 is pretty common everywhere but .223 is just about the same.
Still waiting on the shop to get them in, curious to see if it feels as plastic and tacky as it looks, who knows lol.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Feb 10, 2012 20:43:39 GMT
Wow. After seeing Sarge's post, I realized I didn't know what this topic was actually about; all I saw was Mossberg 464 in the title, which I knew was their .30-30 lever-action rifle, and I only knew that because lever guns are one of the few guns that push my buttons (alongside a quality mid-sized revolver). So, I went and looked up this ZMB and, well, all I can think is that has to be the tackiest thing I've ever seen. What's next, a tactical double-barreled shotgun? Oh, wait. Like the others, the zombie apocalypse is fun to talk about, but this tactical stuff is getting out of hand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 0:06:44 GMT
I don't much like it. Maybe I am too old for change , it looks to contrived. I do not have a hi cap rifle in a military caliber but I agree it's the way to go.
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