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Post by william m on Jan 24, 2012 8:37:19 GMT
Hi All, I am wondering if anybody has seen this Seax before? It seems fairly new and looks great.. however it is a deepeeka piece, which sets off alarm bells for me as they are not known for quality weaponry. Cheers!
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Post by william m on Jan 24, 2012 13:54:30 GMT
Right... After speaking to the retailer for this I no longer have any interest in it. The retailer confirmed that the seax was described as non functional and to be used as a display piece. They did not know the tang construction but I suspect that the blade is made from stainless steel as the runes were probably part of the casting.
Shame...
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Post by SanMarc on Jan 24, 2012 19:04:05 GMT
Where is the link to this? If it is steel then it will probly be slightly useable, the origanal wouldnt have been much better.
But if you want one that is heat treated and temperd, one can be made.......
...SanMarc.
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Post by william m on Jan 24, 2012 20:26:13 GMT
Righty, here is the link. www.theknightshop.co.uk/catalog/ ... e1b8dcbfc6 I may comission somebody to make me one, perhaps Owen Bush in the UK, but I do fear that it may be expensive due to the large number of runes. However I would only need a bare blade as I would be comfortable mounting it myself.
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Post by Elheru Aran on Jan 24, 2012 20:48:23 GMT
Deepeeka is almost always an alarm bell for 'nonfunctional SLO'. Not a surprise there; now you know I would say Owen Bush is probably an excellent choice; he's made several quite good seaxes. You should note that the original was made of pattern-welded steel and the runes were not only inscribed but also inlaid in three different metals. All this will raise the cost considerably if you really want a serious historically accurate piece; if you're okay with a simple monosteel blade and inscribed or etched runes rather than inlays, then that's much easier to do and the cost will be much more reasonable!
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Post by william m on Jan 24, 2012 23:22:33 GMT
Mmm, I may go with Owen Bush as I attended one of his classes and made myself a seax, also may be able to gain access to the original to take measurements for an exact copy. However you are slightly wrong with regards to the construction of the seax as I belive that the original was not made out of pattern welded steel. With regards to the inlay I could probably omit that, although the runes are something it cannot do without !
But anyways, it will probably stay a dream for now, as I was initally interested in the seax due to the price but I am no longer interested anymore. Perhaps once I have sold up some of my collection, I will have enough money to commision the piece.
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Post by Luka on Jan 24, 2012 23:25:01 GMT
I think this might be usable. The biggest issue with depeeka is in most cases lousy hilt construction and lack of distal taper. This one doesn't really need much distal taper, it's short and not to wide so it isn't very heavy, and hilt construction is tang with slabs of wood riveted on it. I think it might be worth to try this one.
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Post by brissybeater on Jan 24, 2012 23:41:06 GMT
Every weapon Deepeeka makes is lousy but their armour not so bad. I was they would just ditch the weapons and concentrate on armour/costumes.
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Post by dwilson on Jan 24, 2012 23:47:05 GMT
Owen Bush, Paul Binns, and Leo Todischini (sp? Todd's Stuff guy) could make excellent repros of the Beagnoth seax. Or, keep an eye out for an old MRL Runic Long Sax. These are bound to be more affordable; However, they are quite hard to find these days.
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Post by SanMarc on Jan 25, 2012 0:57:04 GMT
You'll find the original to be Sanmei or laminated steel, the swords were pattern welded.....
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Post by deepeeka on Jan 25, 2012 7:08:28 GMT
Hi Just to clarify things: 1. Deepeeka does not produce or offer any sword/ dagger in stainless steel. All our products are made in high carbon steel. The seax in question too is made of high carbon steel. 2. There is no welded rat tang to this. It is definitely full tang all the way to the top, in one piece. 3. The piece is not tampered. We tamper exclusively when asked by the distributor. Thereby, if someone needs it to be truly functional, it will be a little more expensive, and he should ask the dealer for the same. I hope I have managed to clear some doubts. Plus, we are displaying an exclusive range of swords at IWA, Nuremberg this year, which is the best we have made so far. These are tampered right, with correct weights, well balanced etc. Maybe, if some of you are visiting, can have a look at these, and possibly change the reputation of Deepeeka swords for the future. Best Regards Gagan feedback@deepeeka.com!
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Post by william m on Jan 25, 2012 12:32:25 GMT
I also asked a question to The Knight Shop, which is the distributor in the UK of this seax.
They came back saying that the blade is made from a mild steel, although they are not sure on the grade. The blade is also blunt with a 1-2mm edge. Also they confirmed that the blade is not heat-treated.
I am thinking that as the blade not having a correct heat treatment may be of an advantage considering that the blade is quite blunt, as the steel should be easier to create a secondary bevel for sharpening purposes as the steel should be soft. Also as the steel is soft, I might carve some channels and hammer in some wire inlay.
With regards to heat treating the blade, Owen Bush may be able to do this for me, but does anybody know of where else I could get it heat treated here in the UK?
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Post by Luka on Jan 25, 2012 16:36:42 GMT
If the price will be right, I will be glad to buy one and review it, hopefully positive.
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Post by brissybeater on Jan 25, 2012 22:20:28 GMT
Deepeeka has a long way to go with swords. Your armour has always been good for the price. But a customer saving 200.00 by purchasing a "X" from Deepeeka compared to an "X" from say Arms and Armor, Hanwei, well 3-4 weeks of patience and saving money and a customer can buy that item at far superior quality and overall construction.
Patience is a virtue, I've been patiently saving for 6 weeks and I could buy an Albion blade now, I wont, because I got patience so save furthur for greater rewards. Deepeekas range may be upgraded, well I hope they ARE more expensive, because I rarely believe a product can be better for the same price. A few factors behind that for reasons I wont get into but if the product is good on its own merits even if it costs more it should be worth the price.
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Post by william m on Jan 26, 2012 8:57:27 GMT
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Post by whiteknight on Feb 8, 2012 20:50:29 GMT
I would have to agree with Luka that this might be worth buying. This is a seax, not a sword. No worries about the blade breaking after impacting the target--this would be used for uses just like a modern knife (bowie, commando knife, or whatever), not a sword. I own some deepeeka weapons from back before I knew better, and I'm quite confident that the constuction methods they employ (however lousy for a sword) would work well for a seax if it was properly sharpened. I haven't checked it out yet (using my cellphone right now), but Deepeeka prices being so ridiculously affordable, I may have to get one of these sometime soon. Not bad looking at all.
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