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Post by Don Boogie on Jan 15, 2012 16:51:38 GMT
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Post by u02rjs4 on Jan 15, 2012 20:06:24 GMT
I have chainmail from the knight shop and it looks great. The more i found out about mail the more I wish i had saved up a little more and bought riveted not butted mail. It is at least double the price but i believe worth it if you've got the cash which i don't!
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Post by Don Boogie on Jan 15, 2012 22:37:38 GMT
so it is a huge differen t between riveted mail/butted mail? cause i am kinda on a tight budget and want some armour that is cool to wear.
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Post by u02rjs4 on Jan 15, 2012 23:09:08 GMT
Cool to wear butted mail would be fine as it looks the same till up very close. I want riveted as its more historically accurate for Europe and much better protection. Butted mail will pop open very easily with a slash and a arrow would go through very easily. Its heavy and offers little protection so much better for costume. We talk about Sword like objects and i would call my armour an ALO. All my swords are functional, so at some stage i would like my armour to be as well. Riveted means the ring is fixed and won't open unless the rivet or ring breaks open which is a lot stronger. The brigandine is quite expensive but looks like it would be good protection. I bought a helmet off this site www.getdressedforbattle.co.uk and it was very good. They offer quite a few chainmail types which i think i'm going to order in the future.
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Post by Don Boogie on Jan 16, 2012 0:16:17 GMT
ah i see,i have also found this interesting site,tough it is a german site they got some interesting pieces there to,have to compare them with the uk site and shipping cost,but shipping cost will be less since it is from Germany.
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Post by Don Boogie on Jan 16, 2012 0:17:10 GMT
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Post by Odingaard on Jan 16, 2012 0:27:59 GMT
Think Geek has riveted alumnium hauberks for around $200, which are pretty decent quality for the money. The only problem is that they have a hard time keeping them in stock. I bought one for my son to try it out, and in two years of hard use and frequent wear, it's not lost a single link yet.
On the downside, alumnium does not look anything like steel, it will always be shiny and never really get a patina to it. But you'll be able to apperciate wearing it due to the vast weight difference.
Thas my most-economical suggestion with comfort in mind. Typically, I would make some other suggestions, but since you are on a budget, I won't recommend other products which are significantly more expensive, such as Ring Mesh and the like (even though I love Ring Mesh!). :lol:
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Post by Don Boogie on Jan 16, 2012 1:44:10 GMT
since i am indeed on a budget:p that's why i was thinking of the butted version of the chianmails:) for the kinda look and feeling:p but i will see pff:p why does it have to be so expensive xd:)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 6:27:35 GMT
I take it you live in the UK. Knight Shop is good then If you live this side of the pond, consider Kult of Athena. Shipping is a HUGE issue with armour, so buy in your country. Some thoughts on your proposed gear.
1. If you intend to wear it, go riveted. Butted mail, unless high tensile steel, can come apart over time under it's own weight, which is considerable. A hauberk can weigh over 30 lbs. Don't brush that off unless you've worn one. They're insanely heavy. Riveted mail is much, much lighter. This is one place you don't want to skimp. 2. Consider a Great Helm for late Crusades and a Spangenhelm for early. Again, much more historically accurate (and possibly cheaper.) 3. Take a look at Knight Shop's mail chauses (leggings). VERY period accurate. 4. Consider mail mittens rather than leather gauntlets. Clumsy and a bit odd looking, but the period accurate choice. 5. Drop the brigandine. It's period inappropriate. The gambeson, mail and tabard are enough. 6. If you decide on a Spangenhelm, go with a kite shield. If you decide on a Great Helm, use a couche shield. Nothing fancy. Buy one with a red on white Templar Cross or paint one on. Period examples are very simple. 7. Add the 13th Century Soldier's shoes from Knight's Shop 8. Add the Crusader spurs from the Knight's Shop. (No Templar would be caught dead without them.)
In this get-up, you could walk onto a 13th Century battlefield in the Holy Land and no one would bat an eyelid at you.
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Post by Alan Schiff on Jan 16, 2012 22:21:26 GMT
I'll second what Dodger said about the brigandine being incorrect for the crusader period. That said, for a simple crusader kit a mail hauberk or haubergeon (shirt) is good, along with a gambeson, preferably with straight stitching, and a simple surcoat or tabard. Chausses are a good addition if you can afford them, but not all crusaders would have had them. Remember that not all fighters, even knights, had the money for the newest or best armor. They made do with what they could afford.
The gloves you have listed are ok but unnecessary. If you are on a budget I would forgo gloves altogether unless you want mail mittens to go with your armor.
The shield you linked to is not period correct at all. Shields at this time were made from wood, not metal, and a heater or kite shield would work for you depending on the exact year you are going for.
The helm you linked to is also not the best choice. A better option is a great helm, either a sugarloaf or flat topped. Great bascinets like the one you are looking at were uncommon at best during most of the crusades era.
As for riveted mail being lighter than butted, I have to respectfully disagree. During this period mail would have been made using round rings, not flattened, which means that to protect properly the gauge of the wire would be the same whether it is butted or riveted. The only difference would be that riveted will stand up to harder use, but both will weigh about the same.
Hope that helps, Alan
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Post by Don Boogie on Jan 16, 2012 23:26:27 GMT
thanx for the input guy's, i will have an another search
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Post by johnapsega on Jan 29, 2012 19:23:03 GMT
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