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Post by mcapanelli on Dec 17, 2011 4:53:14 GMT
Hello all,
Well I've owned my Pikula type XII for a while now and it's in need of sharpening and while I'm a little embarrassed to admit it I've never sharpened a sword before. I've owned a ton of them but I never learned how to sharpen. I know, I know, sharpening is basic maintenance. I can file out the burrs in my blunt swords but I never really tried to work with a sharp before. So...... HOw do I do it? What's the best way for a beginner hack such as myself to approach sharpening a sword I like. I'd be loath to ruin it but I have to learn sometime, right? Any and all help is appreciated.
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Post by JohnE on Dec 17, 2011 4:56:33 GMT
I'll be watching this thread as well. I've never sharpened a sword before, but it's a skill I need to learn.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Dec 17, 2011 14:08:37 GMT
Two possibilities: By hand or with a belt sander. I do it by hand only so that's what I can talk about: Clamp the blade along the edge of a table (not your kitchen table maybe, cause you'll mess up the finish). Clamp it down by the tang and very tightly, I usually use two clamps, one at the shoulders, the other at the tang end. I like to have the tip pointing away from me. Then you need a sanding block, pretty much any !!flat!! object will do, I use an aluminum slab. Then wrap your sandpaper around the slab and move it up and down the edge in long smooth strokes, like rowing. If the edge just needs some touching up, 400-1000 grit is fine, if you need to work the edge down, start lower of even with a smooth file. Once I got the edge bevels to meet, I like to move the sanding device vertically across the very edge, as that gives a sharper edge than when you're just moving lengthwise. Polishing is always done lengthwise though, so after your vertical strokes you need to polish the vertical scratches out with full length strokes again.
Hmm, that's about it. Best way of learning is doing it yourself. Just go slow and start with some high grit stuff as you're less likely to screw up that way. From the way it sounds you just need to touch it up anyway, not to establish a whole new edge.
Edit: For a vid, look up TomK's sharpening videos. I do it pretty much the way he does, with some slight variations.
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Post by Marc Kaden Ridgeway on Dec 17, 2011 14:38:29 GMT
No worries Mike... I can sharpen a knife.... but honestly when it comes to swords, I'd rather just pay someone else to do it...
Really though, I've yet to have one need it ...
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Post by randomnobody on Dec 17, 2011 14:55:55 GMT
OBLIGATORY TYPO POINT-OUT.
Sacred lol. Scared, I think, you mean.
...otherwise, what they said. Take it slow and keep a good eye on things, you'll manage. Be careful, of course.
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Post by Anders on Dec 17, 2011 17:25:17 GMT
How dull are we talking here? I mean, sharpening can mean anything from some light work with a sharpening iron which you should be able to find in your nearest convenience store, to busting out serious power tools.
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Post by mcapanelli on Dec 17, 2011 17:28:24 GMT
LMAO! I missed that. My auto correct on my Mac has been my enemy lately. I should save some of the better mistakes it makes and make a scrapbook.
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Post by mcapanelli on Dec 17, 2011 17:31:09 GMT
We're just talking about touching it up. The edge was very well established when I got her. As my last sword I've been cutting pretty heavy with her as of late in practice and have noticed a performance drop.
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Post by rvhernandez on Dec 17, 2011 18:02:30 GMT
Mike...
Some advice from someone who just started himself:
First, find an old but really nice steel knife around the house and practice on that. If you want, buy an Old Hickory knife to practice on. They are 1095 steel, inexpensive (~$15-$25), and recently don't come very sharp from the vendors. They make for great practice plus you'll have an awesome, sharp kitchen knife afterwards. (BTW: Old Hickory are not knives with finesse but are great for cutting tough meats, chicken, ribs, etc).
Second: buy a utility sharpner from places like Sear's, Lowes, or Home Depot. These are low speed grinders meant for knives and delicate instruments. These run about $50-$70. It's a decent compromise from using a belt grinder. If your blade is really dull, this helps to get the initial edge back really quickly. But practice on the old knives first to get use to holding the edge steady. And use water to keep the stone wet.
Third: buy the different size grit sandpaper and holding blocks. You'll need like 400 grit and 1000 grit...2000 grit if you really want to put a smooth look on the finish. After you finish with shaping an edge using the utility sharpner, you start working the edge with the 400 grit, using smooth even strokes. Just keep sanding and feeling the edge to your taste. Once you're close enough, start using the 1000/2000 to finish up. You should end up with a nice sharp primary edge that will be deceivingly sharp!
I recently advanced to sharpening a "non-sharpened" Windlass sword and it was not bad at all. It did take the better part of a full day but it was fun. Read the internet resources on how to sharpen. Plenty of people have posted full tutorials on this forum. It's worth studying them, then find what works for you.
Good luck and don't be afraid to take the plunge. It's really not that hard. Imagine that over the centuries, how many non-educated people with no access to the internet and very little training have had to sharpen their tools. Doesn't take a genius as much as a lot of muscle work.
Cheers....
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Post by Insane on Dec 17, 2011 18:24:16 GMT
Tom says it all. And if you browse his youtube channel you'll find different methodes.
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Post by Svadilfari on Dec 17, 2011 21:09:42 GMT
And if you're NOT careful..you could wind up...scarred !!  :lol: Seriously though..if your planning on sharpening a custom..I'd start out by practising on a waster or similar. Once you've learnt to put a consistant edge on one of them, and then feel confident in your ability, only then would I try working on the custom job.
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Post by Anders on Dec 17, 2011 21:29:36 GMT
Honestly, I'd just get one of these:  Takes some practice to get the right technique but it won't ruin the blade and if the sword is still sharp enough to cut with, I'd consider anything more complex to be overkill.
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Post by rvhernandez on Dec 17, 2011 22:10:20 GMT
Yea...Tom's video is good and one that helped me too. Highly recommended...
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Post by lamebmx on Dec 18, 2011 0:35:11 GMT
Grab a beater and take the plung! A hone like above has its place in the tool line up. But its only made to work a thin edge back straight. They also work good to remove a butt on the edge if you form one while sharpening. Forget power tools, might as well learn with stones and/or paper, in case you get a tempered and/or heat treated sword. It's a skill to learn and some lessons will require mistakes. Taking it slow, easy and thoughtful will pay off dividands in the end. For the record, I plan a weekend to touch up an edge of a single blades katana. Being mindful of every stroke will help get you that "wow did i really do that?!?!?!" feeling.
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Post by Wes on Dec 18, 2011 1:00:25 GMT
Is it possible to do the table clamp method with peened swords?
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Post by Svadilfari on Dec 18, 2011 5:28:33 GMT
I imagine so..you'd just have to arrange some sort of way of chocking up the blade alone ?. leaving cross, grip and pommel free ?
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Post by Razor on Dec 18, 2011 6:46:03 GMT
al Sharpening sounds more scary than it really is. All you need is practice, this is where slo's and machetes come in. Have you ever sharpen a knife? if so, than you have a good start in learning how to sharpen a sword. I have sharpened swords by hand and by belt sanders. Here is a link from the old SBG forum about sharpening, I posted a good video on there, it's the six post down. sbgswordforum.proboards.com/inde ... thread=403 By hand I find this DMT sharpener the best for me, I tried just using sand paper, but I personally don't like it. I do still use sand paper at the end to help with the apple seed edge. I just don't hit the very edge with the paper. www.amazon.com/DMT-FWFC-Double-D ... 078&sr=8-1 This is also really good for light touch ups and heavy work like finishing an edge like a Windlass after you file the edge down first.
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Post by lamebmx on Dec 18, 2011 14:14:41 GMT
I cant wait to put a sword in my DMT's. I tried a little dish soap on them with a knife, and it seemed to help with the feedback. Still did not have the feedback stones give you, but something is better than nothing. No lapping, soaking or paying attention to the slurry makes up for it. Personally I feel sandpaper can be done, I agree it does not feel as good and is not cost effective if you think you will sharpen a bunch of things in your life. But if you have sandpaper sitting around, putting it and a blade together is the biggest first step.
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Post by jhart06 on Dec 18, 2011 14:34:22 GMT
Sharpening has as many ways to be done, and as many 'best' or 'right' ways its like the 'best pickup line'. Choose what works naturally and most efficently for you, the tools and resources available, and the type of sword!
Good luck man, let us know how it goes and don't hesitate to question. Gods know you've answered a few of ours!
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Post by mcapanelli on Dec 19, 2011 13:46:16 GMT
Alrighty now. I'm on a toy mission today (Trying to find a V-Tec innotab) and during my travels I'm going to pick up some sand paper and give it a go. Wish me luck.
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