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Post by GUEST on Dec 7, 2011 8:42:32 GMT
I still want to known what purposes the OP wants for his first firearms. The pistol is fairly clear since he said A Ruger SR9 which is a good choice if it fits his hand well. I will agree with a good used Glock to since I have carried Glocks for the last 21 years. For deep concleament I really like the new Kahr CM9 9mm I got last month, light and very small.
As far as rifles goes I want to known what he wants to use it for before I give a opinion. I still think a Ruger 10/22 is a very good choice for a first rifle.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Dec 7, 2011 15:31:33 GMT
I have read that the trigger on the SR9 is only so-so. One of my coworkers has one and is disappointed. The ergonomics are very good, though. I have carried and extensively tested many Glocks since 1995. Always reliable. No blow ups for me. Being so familiar with mine, I have a few criticisms which have to do with ergonomics. I wish the grip angle were not as acute and that the frame was narrower. It's the width that compromises concealment and carry comfort. How I would love other single stack models (only the Glock 36 in 45ACP so far and it has become my principal carry piece). The current 9mm/40SW models "just" fit my hands, but I wish they were a tad narrower. I have not gone for a grip reduction. The Kahr's are pleasantly small and the CCW line makes them approachable ($400 vs. $650). My daughter who has small hands finds that it fits her well as do the S&W j-frame revolvers. (I've purchased four j-frames over the years, but the only one I've been able to keep is the first, a Model 60 in stainless at 21.5oz. Sold a 3" Model 60 to a woman at church. My girls love the composite frame models (442, 649) because they are so light.) I found that the Taurus Slim 9mm/40SW also has a narrow slide/grip and short trigger reach which would be ideal for smaller hands. I bought mine for running, but at 19oz, it's a little heavy. The Taurus TCP 738 in 380ACP (10oz) is what I've been running with. I've been impressed with the two sub-compact Taurus pistols I purchased to explore the "get-off-me" gun concept. The guns have functioned reliably and the price is right (<$400). Glock 26, Taurus Slim 9mm, Taurus TCP 738 Taurus GunBlasts TCP 738 ReviewRifles are another matter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 6:35:16 GMT
Hey everyone, sorry for the long delay before replying. My intended purpose for the gun is an all around home defense, range/target, and carry pistol. Since it is my first, it will need to do all 3 of those.
So I went to a local gun store. And I held a few/tested the slides, mag releases, etc.
Guns I really liked mostly seemed to be in smaller, or more expensive ammo calibers. The reason I choose 9mm is because it is the most accessible, and cheapest round, that isn't a 22... Plus there are a lot of options in semi auto. Since this thing will be my main range shooter for now, the ammo has to be affordable.
I personally do not want a revolver right now. It's not that I dislike them, just not what I'm looking to buy at the moment.
The guns I really really liked we're the beretta 92fs and the sig mosquito. It sucks because the mosquito is a 22 only. And the 92fs is $600 and right now is a little out of my price range. I was really set on a glock at one point, but apparently my hands are small(I've always considered my hands to be VERY average), because it seems like everything I picked up had a super thick handle and the trigger seemed too far for me.
Anyone know a good reliable 9mm alternative to a sig mosquito( looking mainly for DA)
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Dec 8, 2011 7:10:57 GMT
There's the Kel-Tec P11 or PF-9, Taurus Millennium or 709, Ruger LC9 or SR9/SR9c, Smith & Wesson SD9, or the Kahr CW9. Those are the only sub-400$ 9mms (besides a used Glock) that I have heard to be reliable and durable (the only exception to durability is Taurus and that's because I personally don't care for any of the Taurus models, so I don't pay much attention to them).
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Post by Larry Jordan on Dec 8, 2011 13:14:13 GMT
Both of these pistols are TDA (long first DA trigger pull, short subsequent SA trigger pulls). The 92fs is big and heavy (34oz). You can buy the 92fs, but at some point you'll buy a smaller, lighter weapon for carry. I see no benefit in a defensive pistol which is TDA. There are better operating systems like the Glock's or S&W M&P's where every trigger pull is the same. I'd recommend the following which all weigh less than the SIG "Mosquito": Glock 19 (9mm): 4" barrel, 21oz, 15+1: ( Glock Model Sizes Contrasted) S&W M&P (9mm) Compact: 3.5" barrel, 22oz, 12+1: You might consider the less expensive S&W SD9: 4" barrel, 23oz empty, 16+1, but I have no experience with this model: These are all small enough and light enough to carry comfortably by most and have sufficient capacity. The Glock 19 (15+1) can use Glock 17 (17+1) magazines, if capacity is an issue. The S&W M&P compact, I believe, can use the higher capacity full size magazines also. To be as effective as you can be in home defense training is highly recommended, so don't spend all your money on guns and ammo. Set aside $150 or so for a defensive handgun course where you can put yourself and the weapon to the test ( TacTrain Pistol Course Descriptions). Disclaimer: I do not work for TacTrain.
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Post by EJP on Dec 8, 2011 14:52:37 GMT
Just a reminder: the new Glocks (Gen 4) have interchangable backstraps which should make them better suited for someone with smaller hands.
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Post by MrAcheson on Dec 8, 2011 15:25:59 GMT
The patents for the Beretta 92 have expired. Look at the Taurus 92 which is similar to the beretta, but has a different safety design that I prefer. Also look at the ATI 92 which is made in Turkey, cdnninvestments had these on sale for like $300 for a while. Check their current catalog.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Dec 8, 2011 17:21:58 GMT
Thanks for pointing this out. I thought I'd check it out and see if the new backstrap system allows for a smaller grip (and how much smaller). The following is excerpted from Comparing the Glock Generation 4 to Generation 3. So, yes, a tad smaller (not slimmer since the back strap will not make the grip any thinner). I'd have to go try one on and see if the smallest setting is significant for me.
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Post by Bogus on Dec 9, 2011 3:16:28 GMT
What about a Beretta Px4? Similar operation to a 92 but cheaper and comes in several CCW-friendly variants. I have one, it seems alright though I don't have enough experience with both it and competitors to really accurately say how it stacks up...but I've not heard anyone ever say they dislike theirs.
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Post by TattooMagic on Dec 9, 2011 5:49:50 GMT
If you need more then 6 shots you should not have a gun lol
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Post by Larry Jordan on Dec 9, 2011 15:22:32 GMT
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Post by steelhound on Dec 9, 2011 21:18:02 GMT
I own a PX4 as well and they are good shooting guns without much recoil thanks to the rotating barrel; however, mine experienced mechanical failure when the polymer slide stop lever broke for reasons still unknown to me (I take good care of my guns). I was at the range one day shooting fine and something broke off of that lever, now it locks back after every shot. I still have to send mine in to Beretta to get fixed, but have lost all confidence in the reliability of this gun. I'm a little leery of most polymer framed guns in general, with the exception of Glock and H&K, and tend to trust my metal-frame pistols more.
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Post by Odingaard on Dec 10, 2011 21:36:28 GMT
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Post by Larry Jordan on Dec 10, 2011 23:07:04 GMT
My glock 23 stlll sports trijicons from 1996! The half-life of tritium is 12.32 years. Noticeably dimmer but still serviceable.
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Post by isotop235 on Dec 16, 2011 7:05:30 GMT
I speak from experience about Ruger firearms. They make a great revolver, I own a 45 Long Colt Single Action Army which is one of my favorite firearms. Their automatics are to be avoided. I worked at a police department which had purchased them new as they were trying to make a budget. They were sand cast and jammed at every possibility. At the end of the era when most departments transitioned from revolvers to automatics, my department was the only larger department(>100 officers)to have chosen this weapon. That is in the entire US...several thousand departments tested this weapon and said "no." Just something to think about. I first saw the Glock's in use with the Austrian police andd military in person and purchased one when they first hit the US shores...I still have it. As for the calibre the 9mm is not the biggest, but it is the most accurate and the rounds are cheap. Good luck and be safe.
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Post by Jakeonthekob on Dec 16, 2011 7:09:59 GMT
Man I also just bought a gun, though it's a rifle.
I got a Howa m1500 .308 win with 22" barrel complete with Nikko nighteater optic. Still on waiting period so I can't wait! I got it at Turner's outdoors for $575 for both the rifle and optic + tax and all that other good stuff. XD
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