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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 14:18:28 GMT
So I have been SLOWLY swaying into the door of firearms. I have bee into swords for a few years and really just can't see where I'll go with them as I've always told myself I'd never spend more than $500 on a sword.
Anyways, with very few fans of swords in my area and a ton of gun fans, I have started to admire the beauty of a guns.
I have shot .22 rifles and one 9mm pistol with my dad several times, but now it's time to buy my first.
Any suggestions in the sub $400 market for pistols? Or sub $300 for rifles?
As of right this minute my pistol of choice is a ruger sr40. When it comes to rifles....I'm not really sure where to start. I want something in a decently higher caliber that is a quality gun(not that I hate .22s, just want something more powerful)
Also, any other gun advice you guys have is great...thanks!
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Dec 5, 2011 16:30:30 GMT
id say grab an Ak-47 for 500 out the door. But what sort of rifles are you interested in? military? bolt action? lever action? single shot?
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Post by TattooMagic on Dec 5, 2011 17:47:39 GMT
Noo AK for a first gun.. Get somthing that you can injoy and carry with you.
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Post by jhart06 on Dec 5, 2011 18:04:12 GMT
Tat, depending on state/country, carry with him for day to day purposes may not even be an option.
I'd agree... Do you have types or such of rifle or pistol you like? For me, i'm a fan of the S&W .38 special style I have, the old revolver from the 40's-50's... No idea what they retail for now-a-days though, but it's the only pistol i've owned that has fit comfortably in my fat paws.
For rifles, if you like .22's, a good (and to my memory, cheap) model is a good Marlin lever action. The one I gave to my younger brother was a smooth shooter and very accurate.
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Post by TattooMagic on Dec 5, 2011 18:19:37 GMT
you cant go wrong with a 38 snub nose. there cheap they dont jam. And you can get them to look any way you want. And they have put down power. and there big enof to fell like a gun and small enof to carry
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Post by jhart06 on Dec 5, 2011 18:34:54 GMT
Mine certainly has a bit more kick than I expected, but it's an antique WWII, so I dont fire it often anyway. I'm fairly certain it would make any one or thing hit with it sit up and pay attention. Sweet sounding too, nice and loud without being too much so.
I do advise, if you end up getting an older one like mine somehow, being leery of the cylinder and it's parts.. Mine has developed (and i'm told it's not uncommon on any model of any year) a slight catch on a cylinder or two, where if it's on that cylinder when I go to pop it open and reload, it doesn't want to, and I have to flick my wrist a bit to get it to do so. It seems to be pretty much gone with a good cleaning and oiling though.
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Post by steelhound on Dec 5, 2011 18:49:40 GMT
I think that the old S&W 3rd gen auto's are a good first pistol for under $400. They're built to last, readily available on the used market, have excellent safety features, and carry a lifetime warranty. In particular, a model 6906 would be my first suggestion ( www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =261769926). This is a compact double-stack 9mm that is built on a steel frame for good strength, and this particular one was a police trade-in, so while it has some miles on it a police armorer has most likely kept it in good shape. There are many of these for sale on gunbroker.com for under $400, and a version of this model used to be issued to the Secret Service to protect the US President.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Dec 5, 2011 19:06:46 GMT
What do you want to do with your firearms? Do you intend to carry a pistol for self-defense? Hunt? Plink?
I would recommend starting with the handgun first. Take a defensive pistol class and see if the range which offers the class will rent you a weapon that you can use. You will discover what is needed in a defensive pistol in this roll and what operating system resonates with you. There are striker fired pistols with the same trigger pull each and every pull. And there are traditional double action (TDA) designs where the first trigger pull is different (longer). Most who are proficient with handguns gravitate toward systems with consistent bio-mechanics. The most important shot is the first. Do you want it different than all the rest?
You can waste a lot of money on inferior weapons. I have never regretted buying a quality, reliable handgun. Find the operation system you like and trigger you like. I prefer Glock, S&W M&P.
Memorize Jeff Cooper's safe gun handling Laws (4) and teach them to everyone in your household.
Have fun.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Dec 6, 2011 0:33:55 GMT
my mosin nagant is badass..made in 1937, i dressed it up with a sporter stock, bipod, recoil pad, and a 4-6 power scope. i paid 79$ for the gun....
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Post by MrAcheson on Dec 6, 2011 3:40:44 GMT
The cheapest centerfire ammo out there is 9mm. If you don't want a .22, then 9mm is the way to go because you can afford to practice with it a lot. You'll need to practice a lot to build proficiency.
Find a local range with a good rental section. Shoot through it and take notes on what you like and shoot well. Possibilities for good cheap autos include used police trade-ins like S&W 3rd gens and glocks. Used sigs or berettas are also possibilities. Keep in mind that you also need to budget for spare mags and probably a few decent holsters (a few because you'll also have to find a style of those you like too).
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Post by Phillip on Dec 6, 2011 6:25:49 GMT
GP-100
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Dec 6, 2011 13:35:27 GMT
Just remember that if you get a 6 shooter you gotta count them bullets! :lol:
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Post by steelhound on Dec 6, 2011 22:44:24 GMT
:lol:
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Dec 6, 2011 22:49:48 GMT
That's the Wiley Clapp edition, right? That is a sweet little revolver.
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Post by steelhound on Dec 7, 2011 0:51:35 GMT
Another good thing to consider when choosing a semi-auto pistol is whether or not factory higher-capacity mags will also work with it. There will be a standard capacity magazine that will fit flush that is made for that model, but many guns will be offered in semi-compact, compact, and full-size versions, and the larger mags will usually work in the smaller guns, but it's something to make sure of first. In addition, brands like glock and S&W will usually offer factory mags with a much larger capacity that can be purchased, and factory mags are usually better than most after-market mags. One of the exceptions to this is Mec-Gar, who offers good quality after-market magazines for a variety of pistols, often with a slightly higher capacity than the factory mags.
Seeing as how this will be your first pistol, I would personally recommend getting something with a safety if your going with semi-auto. This will help you to get familiar with the safe handling of a pistol while having the added security of a manual safety. Lots of guns these days advertise having safeties built in to the trigger, but the fact is that if that trigger gets pulled they still go BOOM. Ask Plexico Burris about that, or this guy:
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Post by Odingaard on Dec 7, 2011 1:04:27 GMT
Get yourself a Glock 17 or 19. They sell used at gun shows and on AR15.com in the $400 price range. Now, a local police distributor in your area will sell you one new for $400 if you have a government, military, law enforcement, security, or private investigator ID - which is even a better deal, because new they run in the $550-$625 price range depending on where you buy it at. I own alot of guns, brother - I collect firearms, not swords (swords are only a side hobby for me). If I could chose only one, it would be a regular old Glock 17. I have a early 1990s Gen 2 I have probably put 75,000-80,000 rounds though that still runs like a top. Nothing else out there can touch that kind of reliability. On the question of safety, the only real safety is YOU. Keep in mind if you: Treat all weapons as if they are loaded. Always keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction. Do not put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire. You will not have an accident like the above idiot did... :lol:
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Post by Larry Jordan on Dec 7, 2011 1:30:54 GMT
The safety is between ones ears. (Physical mechanisms can and will fail, even if one remembers to use them.) To prevent negligent discharges always carry the weapon in a holster designed for it and religiously apply Cooper's Laws of gun safety:
1. All guns are always loaded all the time 2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you do not intend to destroy 3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you've acquired your target 4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond
These create a logical system where one must violate all four to cause harm.
Some Interesting Applications
(1) I was at a local indoor range a few years ago, and some idiot to my right kept pointing his weapon to his left, covering all the shooting positions there. I walked up to him and told how I did not appreciate being covered by his weapon. He answered, "Don't worry. It's not loaded!" See rule 1. See rule 2.
(2) I was taking a defensive shotgun class about a year after than and we were patterning our shotguns. Many of students were return students. One fellow discharged his SG into the dirt a few feet from where I was standing. Fortunately he remembered rules 2 and 4, but not rules 1, 3.
(3) Around the same time I visited a local indoor range early in the morning to drop off a new revolver for a trigger job. As I left my vehicle, I noticed another customer hurry to the front door (no loaded weapons permitted inside), remember that he had to unload, remove the magazine, pointed the pistol in the direction I had just come from and discharge a round into the asphalt. (There was a barrel full of sand provided for idiots who love to drop the hammer on their HGs, but he chose to use a different backstop). Fortunately I had vacated that area just seconds before he "unloaded" his weapon, but vehicle had not. See rules 1-4.
In addition to Cooper's Laws of gun safety, one should always learn and apply Cooper's Color Code for assuming the proper defensive mindset/level of awareness. This is critical if you are going to be around bad guys and good guys with guns. Look out for stupid people with guns.
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Post by Larry Jordan on Dec 7, 2011 1:39:36 GMT
Yes, a Glock. Not some nickle plated sissy pistol.
I must have over 6,000 rounds through my gen 2 Glock 23 which I had overhauled. But it took me about 4 years of intensive shooting (many defensive pistol and tactical carbine classes: 1996-2000). I guess it's barely "broken in." How on earth did you manage to put >70,000 rounds through any pistol?! Who paid for the ammo? (Did I pay for the ammo?)
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Post by steelhound on Dec 7, 2011 2:23:13 GMT
I don't disagree at all that you as the gun handler are the best safety, nor do I think that having a manual safety lets you bypass any of the rules. But, anytime you are learning to do something as dangerous as owning and handling a firearm for the first time, there are chances for mistakes to be made during practical application. There's a reason that high-school drivers have a high rate of accidents, and it's not necessarily because they didn't pay attention to the rules in class. It's the lessons that present themselves during actual use and handling, like catching part of your shirt in the trigger guard as your re-holstering, or reaching for your gun when a bump in the night wakes you up and accidentally squeezing the trigger. It's the little real-world situations that can catch you off guard, the stuff you never think about until after it's happened. That's why my personal choice is to recommend a safety for first-time pistol owners, it offers a safety net while learning safe handling and getting familiar with a gun.
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Post by Odingaard on Dec 7, 2011 4:28:39 GMT
I misspoke when I said that I had fired that many rounds, when in actuality, I should have said, the gun has fired that many rounds. The gun came to me used from a local police department where it was one of their training/range pistols. This particular one was slated for heavy usage just to see what it took to break it, given when the transitions were happening from S&W Model 64s and S&W 5906s, many people thought the plastic pistol would not stand up to such abuse. At one point, the department had the aftermarket LEO/.gov select-fire control installed on it just for sh*ts and giggles - which essentially makes a Glock 17 into a Glock 18 by replacing the back cover with a small box which has a selector switch on it. It's had new internals a couple times now, but it has never broken before having parts replaced. When I bought it, it was estimated to have between 45,000-50,000 rounds fired. I first used it as an off-duty weapon, then a personal training weapon, then a competition weapon, then a loaner, then a training weapon for students, so on and so forth. Now, it's a loaner for classes we teach and we encourage people to use it - loving to see the expression on ther face when they hear how many rounds it's fired. I've personally put 8,000-10,000 rounds though it - but in my ownership since the late 1990s, it's fired the remainder. One thing is damn sure: I am certian no other firearm out there could take such abuse and I only paid $250 for the thing. :lol: And to underscore the point, my Glock's life has been tame when compared to this Glock's story: theprepared.com/content/view/90//administrator/
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