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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 0:19:12 GMT
Good day to you all, I come here asking for your assistance on finding a high quality U.S. 1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber. I have been searching for a while now and have come across the cold steel model, windlass model and other cheap versions. In researching each company I have learned that the windlass model is of rather shoddy quality and the cold steel model is made in India...possibly by windlass...
I have a deep fascination for the 1840 heavy saber and desperately wish to find one that can withstand the rigors of heavy combat. Could anyone here help me? Thankyou.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 21, 2011 0:28:19 GMT
I believe the Cold Steel model (mistakenly referred to as the 1860), or at the least the blade, is indeed made by Windlass; that's what they did with their shamshir (the blade has "Windlass India" on it; they just gave it a different grip and scabbard). Anyways, the only other option that I know of that is a functional recreation would be the WeaponEdge model, but it is also made in India if that's a problem, and I know nothing of it, so I can't vouch for it. Dave Kelly, resident 18th-19th century military aficionado, would likely know more about it than I would.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 0:49:03 GMT
I have seen several of Dave Kelly's posts, he certainly is quite knowledgable on civil war weaponry. Unfortunately he also hasn't logged into his sbg account since october of 2010.
I checked out Weapons Edge. I have no issue with buying an Indian made weapon, I am just not pleased with Windlass models. However, Weapon Edge doesn't offer any information on the specifications of their swords, which is not good. In the end I might just attempt getting darksword armory to forge a custom 1840 heavy saber. Thankyou for your response though.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 21, 2011 0:55:40 GMT
Well, just to note, the Windlass isn't that bad. I own one (which was given to me by Dave) and while it's heavy and has a ton of blade presence, both due to Windlass' typical lack of distal taper, if the blade wiggle that is barely noticeable on mine, I'm fairly confident it'd be a really serviceable saber.
As for DSA, you'll want to check with Eyal first; I'm not 100% certain he does custom work of that level. If he does, however, that'd probably be your best bet, as everything I've heard says that DSAs are apocalypse ready and Eyal will back his products against just about anything that could possibly happen to it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2011 1:16:23 GMT
If you want a high quality U.S. 1840 Heavy Cavalry Saber, you might also want to consider talking to Arms and Armor and have one custom made.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Nov 21, 2011 2:06:25 GMT
Hi Envy. :? The old proboards forum was archived a year ago. We've all been chatting up a storm here since then. You've been here two weeks n missed me: old guy? Big mouth? :lol:
Just what do you have in mind for your saber? Historically weapons and/or their user have a bad habit of not surviving heavy combat. You should expect a fair degree of sustainability and the predictable failure with misapplication.
If you want a real, carbon steel, cavalry saber you basically have three options:
1. Go the Windlass ( Cold Steel ) route. These swords have some minor faults: a. possible soft wood grip core subject to shrinkage. b. 1840 has the 1860 grip on it. Stupid mistake on both versions which pins blame on Windlass.
Realistically for the money these are hardy, very real cavalry weapons of correct historical weight and performance. The Cold Steel may have some better tolerences paid for from Windlass ( leastways my CS held up better than my Windlass).
2. Try to commission someone to make one.
No one is standing up and doing such a commission. To get a qualified sword maker involved on a one off production would be expensive. Money talks. Make a proposal and see who bites.
3. Buy an original.
This would be cheaper than a commission. There is a recession going on. A lot of good German made 1840s can be had for less than $400.00 right now via ebay. These are battle tested historic artifacts that you may have second thoughts about trying to conquer the water bottle empire with single handedly.
Bottom line: spend the $200.00 at KoA for a Cold Steel and beat the heck out of it.... ( I don't trust Weaponedge as a full time cutter. I've not handled their CW sabers but most of their swords have wrong dynamics compared to their historic originals.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 4:36:39 GMT
Well I have taken everyone's advice into deep consideration and bought a cold steel heavy cavalry saber. However, I was then emailed with a reply from the company stating the saber is on backorder. Ironically I had ordered the same saber several weeks ago from trueswords...only to find that it is also backordered there.
So I took a look around and noticed every company that sells the cold steel heavy cavalry saber is backordered. I wonder what's going on...perhaps there has been a recall? Anyway I'm going to cancel my order and either try to find a place that sells the cold steel saber or wait for Eyal to contact me back.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 23, 2011 4:45:16 GMT
I think it's possible that it's either Cold Steel's most popular saber (don't quote me on that) or they're discontinuing it, which doesn't seem likely since it's still on their site.
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