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Post by steelhound on Nov 11, 2011 15:14:11 GMT
Sounds like you'd have to get a gun the illegal way in Canada, and that can present it's own set of problems even without the home invasion. For a sword, I'd second what others have said and get something with a shorter blade and two handed capabilities. The Hanwei Tac Wak would be a good, cheap choice. If you wanted to spend a bit more, I would also recommend the AT Tac Leaf Blade ( triedandtruearmory.com/zc/index. ... ucts_id=15). It's versatile, tough, has an excellent heat treat, and is a nice balance of power and speed. Good point for thrusting and added weight at the COP to pack a punch without much wind up.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 11, 2011 16:41:27 GMT
I don't mean to be contrary, Lizard, but I feel I must disagree with you on that. Unless they're just plain batshit insane, I could count the number of criminals who would go after someone holding a sword on one hand with plenty of fingers left over; most won't even go after you if you're carrying an umbrella (and those are the words of actual criminals in prison).
Now, if you were to go after an armed criminal with a sword, that's another story. They probably wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger.
As to the OP, I pretty much agree with the rest: Hanwei TacWak. I wouldn't go with the Military Dadao simply because of the lack of a point.
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Post by Anachro12 on Nov 11, 2011 17:52:48 GMT
I am new here but that Oniyuri intrigues me. To be able to choke up on the handle and use it as a 23" blade in close quarters or to move your hands back and use it as an almost full length Katana is a really cool idea.
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Post by ecovolo on Nov 11, 2011 18:10:04 GMT
I have one, and that's one of the selling points for me: I can adjust my grip on that longer tsuka. Plus the blade is pretty meaty (I bought one without the bo-hi), and the 9260-steel blade is well-tempered-- it's pretty forgiving on botched cuts. I've cut with it a bunch of times, and when I've screwed up badly it's never taken a set or remained bent.
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Post by Rifleman Lizard on Nov 11, 2011 20:02:03 GMT
Ah but that's the thing, Vincent. If someone comes into my house where my family sleeps, I pretty much am going after them. A criminal entering a persons house would do it without wanting to be detected. So when they are caught they're obviously going to be alarmed, stressed and reckless. In my mind confronting that person, intent on injuring or killing them (depending on the circumstances) can only be a catalyst for them taking desperate measures. If you were brave enough to suicidally charge towards a scared person holding a gun, naturally fear would be the first reaction, forcing them to shoot you and flee the scene. I agree with what you said first. There aren't many criminals who'll set out to deliberatly gun a person down if they're caught during burglary... but, i think there are a lot of criminals who if put on the spot, at risk of being cut down when caught, would recklessly not think and would do anything possible to get away; naturally ending in a minor case of deadness. That's just how I see it mate, and for that reason I think melee weapons make poor home security measures.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Nov 11, 2011 20:28:29 GMT
Oh, I agree that they're poor home defense weapons; if melee weapons were the norm instead of the exception, it'd be a viable option, but with criminals able to get guns all willy-nilly, it's somewhat fanciful to believe you could use one for home defense. The only way to do so reliably would be to sneak up on the intruder.
What I meant was from a carrying stand-point, out on the streets. Your original post read (to me, at least) like you were saying that if you had a sword on your person while someone was holding you up, they'd be more likely to shoot you, which is what I was disagreeing on; more than likely, carrying a sword or even a big knife would keep you from getting into situations like that. Of course, I feel the same way about open carrying of firearms. Nobody's going to try and mug you if they can see a loaded firearm, a sword, or a big ol' bowie knife on your hip.
But that's getting off topic.
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Post by chrisperoni on Nov 11, 2011 23:35:37 GMT
alright- I have some questions and comments I need to make.
?'s - Do Starfire swords and Zombie Tools swords have any distal taper? Do Badger swords come sharp?
Comments- Swords for home defense are not a good idea imo. That said I have a VA Zombie Slayer and will be getting a Hanwei Military Dadao soon so if you want I'll suspend my disbelief and have a go at judging the two for home defense. Actually I will be trading a Tac Wak for the Dadao so I can also add thoughts on that too.
If you have to have a sword for home defense then a gladius is my best suggestion. I would endorse steelhounds offer of the tac leaf as a similarly proportioned blade hence a good option. Given your desire to parry/deflect etc. I think a wide blade with a stiff cross section will serve you better.
Practicality of a sword? That's very subjective in our times. Best to specify what practical purpose (beyond home defense as already discussed)
(correct me if I'm wrong please- but I have spoken with my local shooting range owner about this before) Now onto the matter of us Canadians and guns.We can own handguns just like anybody else and you don't have to join a gun club but you do have to apply for a license, fill out paperwork (background check and so on) and prove profiency to use and carry etc., depending on how you want to carry and use. I believe this is the same as in the USA more or less. Generally it is easier to practice and so on if you are a member of a club as the fees are better and so on- plus the person giving you your license (shop owner) is responsible for your training and keeping records of your possesion/license etc. so often he will want to have you registered in his club. This is more a matter of convention than rule and convenience for that person.
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Post by steelhound on Nov 12, 2011 0:50:31 GMT
Whoa - you guys can carry as well? Is that for the average citizen or do you have to meet certain qualifications to do so?
Before the conceal carry bill passed here in the US, in my state you could apply for a permit if you met certain guidelines (prove that you carried over $1,000 on a daily basis, if you worked some sort of security job, etc.), but it was difficult to obtain one. With your insane folding knife policies up North, it surprises me to hear that you can get a handgun permit to carry.
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Post by SeanF on Nov 12, 2011 2:07:30 GMT
You can't actually carry the gun with you though. You are just allowed to transport it between your house and a gun range. If they find it in your car while at place that isn't determined to be a direct route between the two you are in big trouble.
There is a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Canada, however as a policy they don't actually issue them to anyone.
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Post by steelhound on Nov 12, 2011 3:36:29 GMT
OK, that sounds more like my understanding of things. I've been up to Canada for walleye opener for the last 20 years or so, and one of the guys who worked at the lodge was a retired cop and told me that it was difficult to be a handgun owner there. He also let me know about how folding knives that can be opened with one hand are illegal, and that most cops are really good at getting almost any knife to do that. Now I bring a Benchmade Griptilian with me and just tighten the hell out of the pivot screw until we get to the lodge. Can't even open it with two hands, and I'm waiting for the day that a cop tries to do so when we're stopped for lunch or something.
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Post by Unit731 on Nov 14, 2011 21:08:32 GMT
Oniyuri it might be. Though, to be totally honest, I am liking the idea of a gladius.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 14, 2011 22:08:14 GMT
Both would be good. With the Oniyuri you'd have more leverage on cuts, but the Gladius has both edges and weight, so it's a toss up really.
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Post by TattooMagic on Nov 17, 2011 19:40:58 GMT
i have one on the way ill let you know what i think once it gets here
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Post by Unit731 on Nov 18, 2011 3:28:39 GMT
Are draw cuts possible on an Oniyuri?
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 18, 2011 5:35:43 GMT
Oh yeah. You could just consider it a Ko-Katana with a really long tsuka. Draw cuts should be fairly easy.
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Post by steelhound on Nov 18, 2011 20:44:18 GMT
The nice thing about the Oniyuri is that it is a long handled Ko-Katana with your top hand closer to the tsuba, but handles like a full-sized katana when your top hand is more to the center. Gives a good variety of range and use.
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Post by Unit731 on Nov 18, 2011 21:02:55 GMT
I don't hear the best things about the quality control of Cheness though... I like the idea of it though. The size, strength (if I get a good one), and the fact that the fittings are not so great so I can customize it (it would be hard to bring myself to customize a Ronin Dojo Pro, it's fittings are already nice).
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Post by steelhound on Nov 18, 2011 21:54:51 GMT
This is true, Cheness has lower standards for quality control, although if you bought from Paul here at SBG store he has much better return policies than Cheness directly. Unfortunately, KOA is out of the Oniyuri and won't be getting any more. If you do go with Cheness direct, make sure to look your sword over before doing any cutting with it, as cutting voids any warranty.
Most of the issues with Cheness are with the tsuka and fittings, and chances are that the blade itself would be good and strong (although possibly not as sharp as you may like). So for a customization, I think it's a good candidate.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Nov 18, 2011 23:11:20 GMT
I got my Kaze through SBG Store and it came about as flawless as could be. As steelhound said, though, you will want to give it a good going over before anything. I know that some disagree with taking the tsuka off first thing, but that is another thing I'd recommend, as tsuka issues seem to be one of the more mentioned problems with Cheness. Be sure to use a tsuka removal too, though. Here is a good video on how to remove a tight fitting tsuka, which most Cheness have.
If you don't have a removal tool, you can substitute a piece of wood placed alongside the blade on the tsuba. For the hammer, use a rubber or wooden mallet. If you don't have one of those, you can wrap a regular hammer with a dish cloth or duct tape. Use light taps, slowly escalating the force until the tsuka is off enough to use your hands.
Though Cheness has a spotty record, I want to say that my Kaze is very well constructed and built with the best overall fit between its parts on any katana I have, including my Kris Cutlery 26III. I ran a poll for members here that have one and the large majority said they were pleased with theirs, and the numbers would have been even better if I had though to let each person vote more than twice(as a few had several products.)
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Post by Paul on Nov 19, 2011 2:23:57 GMT
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