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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2007 12:00:37 GMT
Hey, I found this sword on a very serious looking site and they gave a pretty in-depth explanation of the sword, please tell me what you think about the specifications they listed and if possible make me a small list of main features this sword comes with..... as I did not understand everything they wrote [like "Only comes with Bohi" or "upgraded sageko" whats sageko???" and whats the lengths of it? I couldnt read that either] anyway, link: www.sukottoinc.com/high-carbon-steel-katanabrfont-size2b-34sukotto-dragon34-bfont-p-976.htmltatami cutting tests: Thanks to anyone who helps! -Haminados
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2007 13:43:28 GMT
after watching that video, i think its' a good blade considering th $ 89 price tag, although i have no real-life experience with swords (yet...) , so my oppinion might not be 100% accurate
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2007 14:09:15 GMT
Even though, I still appreciate your comment!
Anyone else? [More expereinced than skalman or me?]
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2007 20:04:03 GMT
Well first off, you found a nice sword, for $90 that sword is absolutely awesome (they could easily decide to blow smoke up your ass and sell it for 200+).
The blade itself doesn't have any special features other than the bohi (blood groove) which does nothing other than make the sword slightly lighter. As far as your question about the sageko, I'm not especially great with japanese so I can't say.
The only thing that is special about the sword are the fittings, which really aren't that special other than that they look good and seem to let the sword handle well.
Overall its a nice sword, the video backs that up. The only complaint I have is that their review is a little misleading in that they seem to be using japanese just to simply make it look like they're giving you more features than really exist. Other than that, great find at $90, they even include a cleaning kit so all the better.
oh yeah, +1 on the karma for posting the site.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2007 21:06:20 GMT
Thanks,
At first glance their site looks pretty serious, but now I look deeper and notice that everything there is at least 1 year old [no updates for a year]
I hope this means nothing, I mailed them to check if they are still up and running.
Perhaps Paul can help me out to verify if they are a safe merchant, and even review their sword o.0
I'll wait and see for now, This money is hard earned and I can't risk it so easily.
-Haminados
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2007 22:01:37 GMT
The first thing I noticed in the enlarged pic (despite my newness to Japanese style swords) was the size of the sageo (not sageko). I believe this is what you are talking about. The sageo is the cord wrap around the top of the saya (scabbard). The sageo on this sword's saya looks huge, much wider and thicker than normal. I don't know what, if any, benefit there would be to this, though it doesn't hurt anything, either. The only way to really know the quality of the sword is to buy one and use it. I've never heard of these guys before, so I can;t offer any opinions one way or another. The sword looks like it's probably in a similar category as Masahiro and Musashi (I'm sure it's made in China by a similar forge). On one hand, I'd like to see you buy one so we could see what they're like, but since money is a real issue, I'd actually suggest you go with a Masahiro "Bamboo" from eBay. It's a "known quantity" around the forum here (several of us own them and are very happy with them). P.S. Yep, I just read the press on the website and this is what they say, "Special features: The saya is equipped with a buffalo horn cap at the koiguchi for strength. Dragon blades come with an upgraded sageo. It is much thicker, and wider than standard production sageo that you will find on other swords, and the double width makes for a much crisper presentation of the sword." I'm not sure what "crisper presentation" means, other than maybe they think it looks better (purely subjective, though I think it looks pretty cool, personally).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2007 11:35:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2007 12:40:00 GMT
With the you tube thingy , how do you know its the same sword used for all the cuts ? Although he did not really go-to-town on the old tatami/ goza did he !? What they should of done is cut into a few fresh planted 2 to 3 inch bamboo storks , then you would see if it would bend/bugger the blade or not ? Don't get me wrong I have nothing against 1045, but it doesn't always fair to well in the long run of actively cutting alot with the sword. Best for a bit here and there, but not too much to put stress on the blade.
"Only comes in Bo-hi" means effectively you have no choice in the groove department. It only comes with a groove running down both sides of the blade. This is handy from a weight perspective as it makes it feel lighter, but ultimately saves the sword-makers from having to use as much steel in every blade. This will comprimise its strength, as if it had no bo-hi it would be a more solid blade.
"Upgraded sageko" could mean an upgrade to a better feeling sageo-wrap (the twisted thingy on the handle part that keeps it together). On Japanese nihonto they use cotton, or silk, or maybe leather/suede sometimes that is skillfully twisted very tight. With some of the cheaper swords they mean, they used to use polyester rope now they use kids nylon boot laces ! Don't be surprised.
The measurements they refer to down the bottom are to do with the length of the blade tip and the width of the blade at certain points down the length of it. Really they should say, what martial artists WOULD prefer to see is the length of the handle (tsuka), the blade length(usually 27, 28, or 29" ),the balance point of the sword, and that the blade is secure and tight in the fittings. Which may or may not be the case with above models, but this is only due to poor quality control on the manufacturers behalf . Like anything the more money you spend , the more assurances you get on quality .However sometimes , just sometimes, you get lucky and get a well made one but they are a rarity !
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