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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 7, 2011 21:39:16 GMT
Dear swordsfans:) I have to say,this is the best site i know where people can ask questions about swords and katana's I've recently bought myself the black prince sword from gen2 and i am not very pleased off it,i think instead of buying anymore european swords i might step up in to japanese swords katana's But oh god, there is so much choice in there. I really dont know what i should buy? I always jump to one katana i like and than i see another wich seems to be a lil bit better etc etc.. For exemple, if i wanna buy a good katana,i can spend around 600 euro maximum for one good blade. I see lot's of good katana's of paul chen,like the tsunami katana,the tori elite katana,the bambo mat katana, and for a lil bit higher the lion dog katana. I also like the look of the Bushido katana of paul chen wich is imo very nice,but than i saw in a revieuw it is only good for light cutting practise, i mean, if i wanna spent some decent money on a sword, it has to be a vieuw for the eye,but also a good performer. I was also thinking about an SBG Custom katana,but than the probleme is,you have to wait around 90 days before it is finisht,or a lil bit longer depending on the custom,srry for my bad enlgish. I really dont know what to choice. thank you for youre help in the future:) greetings Don Boogie
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Oct 7, 2011 22:13:50 GMT
Welcome aboard! You list several very nice katana. The Hanwei/Paul Chen katanas are very nice. The Tori Elite has seen some very great remarks especially. The Bamboo Mat is said to be a good performing cutter, and has a gorgeous blade. Respected forum member Hiroshi says that the Hanwei Bushido is an amazing katana, and that it serves as a great cutter. While the SBG custom is very nice, I'm not sure if it stacks up well against the others you listed. Also, the Ronin Katana Dojo Elite is very nice, and seems like a tough cutter. The Elite line is found beneath the Dojo Budget and Dojo Pro offerings. www.roninkatana.com/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 22:25:50 GMT
I would agree with a.jordan. I personally think that Hanwei is very consistent when it comes to quality control. I don't think you can do much wrong by choosing one of the Paul Chen katana you've listed.
Personally I am partial towards the Paul Chen Bushido katana. The folded blade's length, geometry really speaks to me. I wonder why a review would mention that a Bushido is only suitable for light cutting. To me, if your technique is good, I am sure you could use it for moderate/heavy cutting.
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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 8, 2011 5:02:42 GMT
thank you very much of youre fast reply's, i will defitly look in to the bushido katana of paul chen,than i will have to save up a lil bit longer untill i have the money for it one more thing, i hear of the tori katana, that the fittings of it of some could be worse,that some buyers may get an excellent quality tori katana and other some of poor quality fittings with some flaws and errors in it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 5:20:47 GMT
Perhaps other forum member could chime in, but I've never heard of the same Tori katana with two different fittings. On the other hand, Hanwei (Paul Chen) sometimes listens to consumers feedback and might add some improvements to their latest batch of swords. Perhaps they are comparing it between two very different generation of Hanwei Tori? However like any production sword, there is some likelihood lemon sword do get into the hands of the consumers. But when it comes to production katana, Hanwei has some of the best quality control in the industry. On a related matter, some retailers do not stock their product but "drop ship" in order to save cost. Without proper inspection, there is a likelihood that they might be sending you a lemon katana without your knowledge. Therefore if you happen to come across a retailer keeps an inventory on their katana, ask them to inspect it before shipping it to you. That should reduce the likelihood of getting a lemon katana.
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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 8, 2011 19:36:20 GMT
ah ok now i understand,cause indeed i have been on an english site where they said they had the tori katana stock with some flaws in and people who buy could get indeed a discount of it,now i know what a lemon katana is lol My final question:) srry if i would became a pain in the ass with all my questions xd:) But for example, i am still a novice in cutting with swords:) and i kinda practice on water filled bottles:p the cheapest way lol but even if i am novice,for exemple should i go for a high end sword like the bushido katana and train with that one,or should i pick up first like a dojo pro cutter for example so if i do a bad cut i would not well,semprini up a good sword unless for exemple the bushido katana, can stand a bad cut? oh and one more thing, this site rocks!
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Post by William Swiger on Oct 8, 2011 19:49:31 GMT
Hi - what did you not like on the Gen2 Black Prince? Just curious.
Welcome to the Forum!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 20:11:37 GMT
Hmm good question though. It really depends on how adverse you are when it comes to leaving potential scratches, dings or putting a set on a high end blade. A good majority of the people would not task their high end blade on a heavy target even though their swords are capable of dishing it out. Heck some people would never dream of cutting with their Albion or custom sword and use their cheaper blade to do most of the cutting. I am quite sure a Bushido is capable of handling a bad cut on a heavy target; just polish out the nicks and bend the blade back. Still most people would feel really bad if they "eff up" their blade.
Still if you think your cutting technique needs some improving, I would recommend buying a cheaper but sturdy sword and practice till your heart's content. I do not own a Ronin Dojo Pro but from the reviews I've read they seemed to be pretty good sword for the price. Once you are comfortable with your cutting techniques, it's up to you whether if you want to task your high end blades for some cutting.
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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 8, 2011 20:14:28 GMT
well, the gen2 black prince sword did not came sharp out of the box, it needed to be sharpened before i was able doing some nice cutting,and when i did some sharpening with accusharp,it went better,but still,it did not performed the way it should be,perhaps i do something wrong with the blade,most of the times, i can cut trough my targets,but a friend of mine challenged me with his practical pro katana from paul chen vs my medieval sword,my friend could cut trough 3 large coke bottle's and i only one snif we also bough some of those waterstones to sharpen swords and knives alike,maybe when i sharpened my blade with the waterstones, it might be a lil bit better/sharper than it is and i hope i can cut multiple targets witn it than. Perhaps a katana will be also more my thing to cut with,i was really hyped about the gen2 black prince sword cause i have seen the revieuws here,yet it might be not the right blade for me? Or my technique with a medieval sword is so bad.I mean, i can cut single bottle's with it nice and clean, no problem, but multiple bottle's standing next to each other,nope i can't do it with that sword.
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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 8, 2011 20:20:00 GMT
and to jerrymander,thank you for youre advice,perhaps, i should work on my techniques first,before i buy a high end katana from paul chen, i will look at revieuws here and might decide wich sword to pick to improve my techniquest- before buying a bushido katana.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Oct 8, 2011 20:44:40 GMT
Water bottles do tend to scratch blades. If you want to practice, then the Dojo Pro is perfect. The blade is very durable, but extremely easy to cut with.
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 8, 2011 21:02:54 GMT
have you looked into the Dynasty forge musha class? theyre built like tanks, so even with shoddy technique, if you botch a cut you probably wont "F&^K" it up
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Post by Jakeonthekob on Oct 9, 2011 4:54:43 GMT
If it's your first real cutting blade, then I suggest a more mid-range sword, perhaps in the $200-$500 range. Spending above that is higher end, therefore if you mess up your sword because of a bad cutting experience, then it's less of a concern that you lost, say $900 versus a $450 sword.
I'd say it's better to have a cheaper reliable "work horse" sword then get a more expensive one down the line when you become more comfortable with properly wielding a blade.
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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 9, 2011 5:10:51 GMT
i am also more tending to buy for exemple the kaze katana,wich has an unetched hamon line:) wich i like,i believe the ronin dojo katana's don't have a hamon.
Ah,one more thing, i beieve the kaze katana,has a bo hi, i dont know what you guy's prefer,but is cutting with a bo hi not better? so you can make some more speed and have a better chance in to cutting in the object?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 6:11:19 GMT
The kaze katana, if I am not mistaken does not have a bohi, and is differentially hardened. The ronin dojo katana does not have a prominent hamon because it is thoroughly hardened. Holding all else equal, a sword with bohi is lighter and provides a more prominent tachikaze (whistling sound when swinging blade) which aids beginners in cutting. But a sword with no bohi is marginally tougher and little less likely to take a set. Some beginners are comfortable with the tachikaze provided by the bohi while personally I prefer the clean look of a blade without bohi.
If you are shopping for katana, you might want to consider other production katana such as kriscutlery 26 katana, dynasty forge musha, or hanwei raptor among others. Your choice of Ronin Dojo is also a good one. All are pretty tough though each are slightly different from one another. You might want to read up old discussions in the Japanese sword sections regarding the pro and cons of each swords.
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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 9, 2011 19:51:38 GMT
Me again:) i wanna thank you all for youre quick and very good constructive answers and to jerrrymander, i will have a look at kriscutlery and the others you put on the list:) i have a feeling the search in a good workhorse katana will be over soon:) i will save anyhow money to buy the bushido katana one day,cause that is truly one hot looking blade:p
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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 10, 2011 17:09:54 GMT
I think i have found the blade i am looking for:) it will be this one as my work horse:p Ronin Dojo Pro Katana "Shinshi" - Model 13 I really like the fittings of this katana and most ronin dojo katana's get's 5 stars Tobad i kinda just bough the black prince g2:p normally if i gonna buy my sword, i do that around the great holliday like july or august:) Anyhow,when i will have the sword, i will post a revieuw and maybe some cutting test with it:p hehe, ty all for the tips.
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Post by Jakeonthekob on Oct 10, 2011 22:08:28 GMT
Good for you! That should be a great sword for years of bottle and mat cutting! Be sure to post vids! XD
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Oct 10, 2011 22:36:00 GMT
Congratulations. I can't see you being unhappy with a Dojo Pro. Not a lot of frowny faces around those.
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Post by Don Boogie on Oct 11, 2011 16:18:51 GMT
Ty! once i have the sword, i will write a revieuw, you can count on that:) and once i get used to this forum and how to post video's etc,well, i might to that to:) i will also tell my friend who has an interest in swords that he should visit this forum at once!
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