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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 5, 2011 20:50:28 GMT
In my last post I said that the Wallace sword handle loosened, due to it being a loose fit (no cracks visible). After taking the handle off I noticed that there were some threads underneath the pommel. I gave the pommel a twist and it loosened up right away. The "peen" of the pommel didn't hold at all, so I assume it was just to look like a peened sword. Here's a picture: This means its a threaded sword right? Not peened? I remember emailing DSA a few months ago on which swords were peened or not and they stated that only the Anduril was threaded. So, I assumed that the Wallace sword was peened, especially since kultofathena listed it as peened. Am I wrong? Attachments:
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 5, 2011 20:57:35 GMT
Yes, there is a nut and washer there.
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Post by ChrisRiley93 on Oct 5, 2011 21:05:04 GMT
I would guess that they are threaded on and then peened at the end. If I remember right, that is how they do them. I can tell just by pictures that the peens on their swords are not substantial at all.
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 5, 2011 21:07:46 GMT
Well, then there must have barely been a peen there. At the very top of the threaded tang there is a flat end, but no sign of peening or anything. More like it was made to look like a peened sword. I shouldn't have been able to twist the pommel in one try and have it break through a peen like that.
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Post by Darksword Armory on Oct 5, 2011 23:26:45 GMT
I replied to your email, but here is the message again... On your intial post on SBG you indicated the the first wallace sword we sent you had a loose hilt, that the leather started to come off and that the guard was moving from side to side. We had the sword picked up at our cost and sent you a replacement prior to receiving your sword. When your sword was delivered, I inspected it (just four days ago). Other then having been used against another sword, I have not found any of the issues you spoke about on the forum. The guard, handle and leather are intact. The leather is not coming off as you had indicated, the guard is not loose and the handle is tight and in perfect condition. Now you have issues with the new one. You removed the leather and twine from the handle and according to your email broke off the wood handle. I understand your situation, but I am responsible because you decided to break off the handle ?. In regards to the nut, it does not serve to hold the sword together. It places extra pressure on the hilt in the event that the wood handle cracks under the stress of combat. The nut is placed between the handle and pommel and slides under the pommel. If you prefer not having a nut, that’s fine. Simply remove it. It won’t change the swords structural integrity in the slightest bit. In any event, I could fix the sword again for you, but given that you ripped the leather off, remove the cord and broke off the wood handle, we will have to charge you for those parts, as well as the shipping. I can’t keep on shipping new swords to you on a whim. In the future, if you do not know how to fix a sword, it would be best not to mess with it. Contact the manufacturer and let them take care of it. Contact us for details about shipping it back. Thank you, Eyal Azerad Darksword Armory Inc. www.darksword-armory.com
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Post by ghost on Oct 6, 2011 0:14:55 GMT
dishan, what were you doing with your sword?
If you were abusing it, the fault can only lie with you. Purchase a proper trainer for sparring ~
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 6, 2011 0:26:10 GMT
I didn't abuse the sword. I did use it against another sword (since DSA are apparently made for that), but no way in an abusive way. It cost $300 for the sword, which is kind of a lot for me, I took care of it. I know how to properly use a sword.
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 6, 2011 0:27:58 GMT
Let's clear this up. I did not state that the leather was coming off the handle nor that it was loose. I stated that the stitching was starting to come off. I also did not state that the guard was loose, I said that the guard fitted loose on the blade (a gap between the blade and the guard fittings).
My issues with this other Wallace sword is the fact that the handle was not fitted properly, thus it loosened up immediately after I accidentally hit it against my wooden railing. It was obviously too big to be fitted on the tang but was placed on anyways. My other issue is the fact that it is nut assembly instead of peened (which you claimed that only the Anduril sword was nut) .
My only issue I had AT FIRST was the loose handle. After waiting for an email response I decided to ask on SBG what to do about it. I was given the suggestion to take the leather and cord off the handle and check for any cracks and I did. No cracks found. I thus assumed that maybe you tried using epoxy to hold the incorrectly sized handle to the tang, that is why I cut off the handle (which is still usable...well, if it wasn't such a poor quality wood, but by your standards its probably fine). I then found no sign of epoxy, just the fact that the handle was cut much to large for the tang. That's when the SECOND problem came to light; it was NUT not PEENED.
Why not actually try some quality control throughout the whole process of making a sword? Instead of making ill fitting pieces, put them together, then check for "quality". And maybe, just maybe, actually peen the swords you claim to. Instead of claiming that only one of the swords is nut while the others are peened.
I work with wood and can make a replacement handle (of good wood this time). I'll fix it myself. How hard could it be to fix a sub-par swords handle?
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Post by joeydac on Oct 6, 2011 1:00:40 GMT
This is turning interesting I thought all of the darkswords were peened l don't see from the pic of the tang where the pen would be it looks all threaded can you provide more detailed pics please I'm curious I'm familiar with compression fittings but if the handle was properly sized and notched all that it needed was a peen to secure it unless its like a tinker design
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 6, 2011 1:14:14 GMT
I'll be able to post proper pictures on Friday with my Nikon. My older brother is currently using it for photography class, it's the earliest he can come over.
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Post by Enkidu on Oct 6, 2011 1:25:39 GMT
From what i understand it was nut and pinned... If you take down your sword you are very lucky that the manufacturer still offers you to replace it. Unless you have some other agenda.
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Post by jhart06 on Oct 6, 2011 1:36:56 GMT
I am new to the cutting side of things, but Eyal and DSA have a flawless reputation for honesty and good product. I also dont seem to see anything on their website anywhere where it recommends them for the blade on blade contact. That first blade being used in such a manner could account for everything described 'wrong' with this sword and more. The lack of pictures to back it up also has me doubtful to any validity or claims put forth here.
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 6, 2011 1:46:55 GMT
What is pinned? Also, what do you mean by "some other agenda"?
If your saying that I'm trying to con them or something I'm not. I just wanted to know why the sword had nut assembly instead of peened. I'm new to functional swords so forgive me of any ignorance or whatever. I only own two other functional swords, so my expertise is very limited.
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 6, 2011 1:50:46 GMT
I have a quote from their site stating they are stage/re-enactment swords: you can find it on their homer page "our company has gained a reputation for forging some of the most resistant combat ready medieval swords on the market. Our reputation has made us one of the key players in the Medieval reenactment and stage community, selling not only to private collectors, but to various theatrical groups and movie studios. Our swords are hand forged in Canada with 1060 High Carbon Steel. they are combat ready and properly tempered to a Rockwell of 53. Each sword or dagger can either be ordered blunt, for stage and reenactment combat, or Sharpened for cutting purposes" And a link from Sword Manufacturers Guide: which says "designed for re-enactment/stage purposes" www.sword-manufacturers-guide.co ... rmory.html I am not using their swords in any wrong way. I wasn't hitting barrels or trees like in the destructive tests. The other sword I used it on was my Hanwei Knightly Sword.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 2:18:24 GMT
Thanks for bringing this to attention of the forum. I for one like to know how the swords I buy are constructed. Like you I wouldn't be happy to find this on a sword that was sold to me as being peened.
While this type of design might be adequate, personally I don't like it. Too much of the tang is threaded and in an area that will see a lot of stress.
Eyal your comment "In regards to the nut, it does not serve to hold the sword together. It places extra pressure on the hilt in the event that the wood handle cracks under the stress of combat." makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It seems more likely to me that the nut is there in the event the threaded tang snaps from the force being exerted on the pommel. Which is going to be considerable given the weight of the sword and the length of the blade.
Dishan.25 looking forward to seeing more pics of the hilt assembly. Also could you measure the tang diameter at the threaded area or provide the size of the threaded area (1/4-20, 6mm x 1, etc.). Thanks.
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Post by dishan.25 on Oct 6, 2011 2:23:20 GMT
Please don't reply to this forum post anymore. I sent an apology email to dsa about the whole thing. It was probably my fault when I accidentally hit the rail with the sword. I just want clarification as to why it at least looks like it wasn't peened. I will still post pics on Friday so people can understand what I was ranting about.
Ashamed & embarrassed, Dishan
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Post by Darksword Armory on Oct 6, 2011 3:06:06 GMT
I will fix the sword for you, but you will be responsible for the shipping cost. It won’t be much. I will use the same box, so there won’t be much in the shipping. If I remember correctly, you are located in Ontario ? if so, the shipping will only be 23$ or so. But please, if you are not experienced with sword making, in the future don’t unassemble the swords, whether ours or another manufacturer’s. Let the respective manufacturer do their job. Otherwise you might damage something and make matters worse. The nut has nothing to do with the peening over the pommel. It’s simply a precautionary ‘add-on’ that we place on our swords over the handles in the even that the wood cracks. The extra pressure from the nut will keep the hilt in place even if the wood cracks (within limits of course). We them slide the pommel over the tang. Heat the end and peened over the pommel. We have been forging swords for over 15 years. This is the best technique we have found to date, especially for the stress of harsh reenactment combat use. In regards to the throat of the guard, not having exactly the same spacing on either side of the blade, please remember that our swords are completely hand forged. There will naturally be some ‘imperfections’, unlike the perfectly smooth look of machine made swords. This character, I believe, is what makes our swords appealing. The artisitic knowledge that is invested in creating the sword, the swet, passion and skill that goes with making the sword, the preservation of history that goes behind it. I think (and hope) that that’s what our customers appreciate when they handle a Darksword Armory sword. It would be very easy for us to cast the fittings and invest 12,000$ in a C&C machine, press the ‘start’ button and 30 minutes later you have your sword. But that’s not what we are about. In any event, You can send the sword back. Please include your name address and email address along with the sword. I’ll also post the response on SBG in case this email is pushed into your spam folder. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Thank you, Eyal Azerad Darksword Armory Inc. www.darksword-armory.comSee our Youtube video : Join our Facebook Page: www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Darksw ... 7809273238
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Post by Lonely Wolf Forge on Oct 10, 2011 0:20:12 GMT
the BLUNTS are made for stage combat dude...the SHARPENED version is made for CUTTING. not sword on sword contact :/
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