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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 16:57:04 GMT
I don't want to start a debate about the different Dadaos in the middle of someone else's thread, so I'm starting this one. I have seen the Hanwei Dadao and the Hanwei Military Dadao and the Kris Cutlery Dadao, but I know there are more out there. Who else is making quality practical Dadaos? Pictures and links would be very helpful.
Thanks.
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Post by Sir Tre on Oct 3, 2011 17:13:25 GMT
jin-shi and cold steel have one
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 17:42:12 GMT
Here is a picture of a jin-shi dadao.  It has a shorter handle but a more forward balance compared to Hanwei's military dadao. It does not come with a sheath, and the finish is a bit rough and not as sharp. I actually prefer the jin-shi dadao to Hanwei's military dadao. Here's the contact page: jin-shi.com/contact.html |
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Post by Barnaum on Oct 22, 2011 4:11:44 GMT
Go with the Hanwei Warlord Dadao. I've had mine for 10 years, it was my first sword and still one of my favorites. I used to ABUSE this sword, being young and careless, and it stood up to everything I could throw at it. Saplings, 2X4's, and even an old set of outdoor patio furniture (Stupid, I know, but I was young). I even used it in a live steel on steel routine I used to do. It took some nicks on the edge, but a good file took care of them easily enough. Now, it holds a place of honor among my swords. I'm in the process of writing a 10 year retrospective on it, but graduate work comes first. kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=PC1012 |
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Post by Sir Tre on Oct 22, 2011 5:08:51 GMT
that is the one i have and tough as nails
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 10:21:14 GMT
forward balanced?
hmmm, sorry im a newb.
I want a thick dao but balanced like a jian.... can their be such thing?
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Post by Sir Tre on Oct 24, 2011 17:56:25 GMT
dadao are not balanced that way, they are aggressive choppers. a dao would be balanced between dadao and jian. might be more to your suiting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 20:25:09 GMT
thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 23:11:06 GMT
Forward balance mean that most of the weight is distributed more towards the blade, while hilt balance is when most of weight is distributed near the hilt. A sword with a forward balance means that the blade has quite a chopping power but it feels heavy/sluggish. A sword that balances near the hilt is more lively and handles well but does not have the same cutting power as one with a more forward balance sword. Historically jian typically (not always) have more forward balance than say a Medieval arming sword and they can get away with it because they tend to be lighter somewhere between 1.5lb and 2lb. I don't really know much about the dao to form an educated opinion.
A dao that balances like a jian... do you mean a yan man dao (goose-quill saber)?
The yan man is pretty straight with curvature near the tip. Handles somewhere between a jian and a dao. Capable of thrusting but not designed to be a slasher like niuwei dao (oxtail saber) or the more common liu ye dao (willow leaf).
Most production dao falls between the willow leaf and oxtail. The only one closest to goose quill would be Hanwei Beile Dao. It ain't cheap
If you are interested in a budget dao and don't mind waiting, I would heartily recommend getting one custom made from jin-shi.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 1:29:23 GMT
ah gotcha, I have a clear idea now. Thank you.
Dang, I have an ox tail. cuts great but yeah it forward heavy and not very maneuverable than the tinfoil dao that I use to practice and liked.
I guess i'm asking for the impossible a dao with great chopping that handles like a feather ha. I could keep on practicing with the ox and get use to it, but i don't feel "safe" for obvious reasons lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 2:11:26 GMT
Just wondering if it is the Practical kung fu sword (PC2063) or the Oxtail (SH1011).
I've not handled any of them but from the specs provided by CAS Hanwei, both seems to be a little on the light side and some claimed that their blade is too thin. I would guess the oxtail might handle a bit better than the kungfu sword (which is somewhat tip heavy).
The practice tinfoil dao is undoubtedly lighter than a functional weapon. The so called wushu swords are way too light be considered functional and gives a false impression that Chinese swords are light and gentle weapons. They can be as heavy and as functional as swords from other culture. A light weapon may handle like a dream, but it might not possess the cutting power or durability compared to heavier swords.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 8:11:48 GMT
its the Practical, yeah its fairly light, just holding it foward to thrust and trying to do a ummmmm down up slash takes alot of effort or more than one hand,
I just tried just now and wow it is lighter than i remember yeah two hands , doing a body wrap you can hear to cut the wind pretty well, (lucky not my ear hahahah). I still don't trust myself but i should practice basic with it, slowed down x 4 ha. work out a bit more and do basic drills that aren't flashy and master it...maybe then i'm prepared for a zombie attack hahah
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 9:19:43 GMT
The tinfoil wushu weapons are unrealistically weighted, and don't balance or handle anything like the real thing. If I compare my cheap wushu tinfoil jian (gim) with my Hanwei Rodell Cutting Jian, they're nothing alike!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 9:44:38 GMT
I never got a chance to do jian I chose doa and had to stick to it lol, Jain seems more complex...
have you done both?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 12:34:39 GMT
Me, no, I wish I had a chance to learn jian or dao!
I've just got a thing for collecting chinese weapons, even though I collect ones from all times and cultures. I'm actually in the early stages of learning a traditional Japanese battlefield style of swordsmanship right now. I've always found the Chinese swords and weapons more interesting though!
Other than wushu, not sure if there are any places teaching traditional chinese swordsmanship anywhere near me, otherwise I'd be in there training. One day I hope to...
I really like the jian, has to be one of my favourite swords.
Historically the dao was always considered a sword you can master in months, and the jian was something that took years. It is considered an advanced weapon, you are correct, it is more complex.
I own the Hanwei Dadao, I just had to get one, and I liked it so much, ordered a Pudao, which is like a polearm version of a Dadao! One day I hope to learn to use them. I've seen videos that teach the forms for these weapons, not sure how well they would work as teaching aid, sorely tempted though!
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Post by Sir Tre on Oct 25, 2011 16:25:48 GMT
with a good solid foundation in CMA, and swordsmanship, one could use a video for supplement, however, nothing will ever replace formal instruction by learned instructor. a video will lack the 360 degree experience and real time feedback of your instructor. when you make a mistake you may not ever catch it yourself, or if you do you may have already developed muscle memory of bad habits. an instructor will catch mistakes and correct them quickly before you develop the bad habits.
Liam has used video training but videoed himself and received critique from the folks here on the forum. so there is still hope, yet self teaching can be a longer process.
again if you have good foundation in CMA, it will make the transition easier.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 5:20:11 GMT
I did reaserch on my wushu school, use to teach northern mostly of course they have to teach northern and southern too but after a new instructor change some stuff, we had some bad muscle memory (not instructor fault it was ours) and he showed some things that made it pretty easy. I never seen him use "real" functional weps but i certain he can do it.
for a 38 year (i think) old he pretty good. Holding a staff horizontally in front of you letting go and doing an inside/outside kick/nd catching it without falling is takes some skill imo, looked like it didn't move, when we said "whoa how did you do that" he seemed a bit confused for a sec ha
They have a "sister" school that teaches butokon (?) japanese MA. They do handle real swords though.
Sorry about my babbling.
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