Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity

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Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Oct 1, 2011 4:30:47 GMT

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Hi, I had previously bought a Zhi Sword san mei blade (which I will discover once and for all tonight if it has a welded tang) which is a looker with one huge problem: it must weigh a good 2.5 - 3 pounds. I should be able to weigh it tomorrow.

My original plan this fall was to buy a Mosin Nagant. But since an FFL takes a long time and Big5 is right out, I looked for the first time in years at a new sword.

Sticklestad seemed suspect (brass fittings?), I was not keen on another whippy windlass, a cut and thrust smallsword was enticing, and I wanted something to do cutting. Then I found this Hanwei sword.

Besides, the Jian is bar none the most beautiful sword in looks, use, and spirit. This is objective and cannot, CANNOT be argued!

Anyway, when I saw the Scott Rodell designed a production jian that I could pick up for $200, I had to get one. But my question is whether the weight is on the high side of average for historical jian, and if the handle is average thickness. Also I've seen/read conflicting evidence of it being a wood or resin handle...? I have short fingers but am preemptively wondering about some possible future mods.
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Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Oct 1, 2011 5:12:39 GMT

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Can't comment on the handling since I've never owned one. But one thing you might noticed is that the grip of the handle is longer than a typical one-handed long jian (chang jian), but not as long as a shuang-shou (two-handed) jian. I've read elsewhere (can't remember where) that the sword is designed for one handed used but is also great for two handed use. Personally I call it a "hand and half" jian.

Based on the description provided from Hanwei, the weight seems to be in the moderate range, has a historically clam-shaped blade geometry. Seems to be designed for light to moderate cutting. I will let others to chime in on the handle's thickness. For the money, I would say they are some of the best production jian out there.

Though you are free to modify the jian, I personally would do so because changing the length/thickness of the handle or fittings would alter the feel and balance intended by Scott Rodell. But the sword is not peened and can be easily disassembled so it is easy to modify if needed.

Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0	Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Oct 2, 2011 4:42:57 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2011 4:42:57 GMT Thanks for your reply! I don't see many people interested in Jian but I'll get around to posting some more 3rd party pics of this jian for the benefit of the intarnets when I get it. We so excited!

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Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Dec 19, 2011 14:31:51 GMT

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Post by Gundoggy on Dec 19, 2011 14:31:51 GMT

I own one, the fittings are 'historically shaped', the blade was supposed to have been clam shelled but is a very shallow example of one. Weight and balance can be considered 'historical'. That being said, I do not believe its the best example of a production 'historically accurate jian'. But it is affordable.

Sir Tre Member Posts: 807	Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Dec 19, 2011 16:28:03 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Sir Tre on Dec 19, 2011 16:28:03 GMT the rodell jian handles wonderful for a longer jian. the handle fits well for what is aprox 1 1/2 hand. it is my understanding that rodell design is based on historical antique
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Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Dec 26, 2011 14:34:47 GMT

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Post by Anders on Dec 26, 2011 14:34:47 GMT

jerrymander wrote
Can't comment on the handling since I've never owned one. But one thing you might noticed is that the grip of the handle is longer than a typical one-handed long jian (chang jian), but not as long as a shuang-shou (two-handed) jian. I've read elsewhere (can't remember where) that the sword is designed for one handed used but is also great for two handed use. Personally I call it a "hand and half" jian.

IIRC, Rodell said that it's meant to be used one-handed, but they gave it a longer grip since some styles use two-handed techniques as well. Basically, they wanted to appeal to a broad customer base.

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Sir Tre Member Posts: 807	Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Dec 26, 2011 15:37:35 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Sir Tre on Dec 26, 2011 15:37:35 GMT Max, did i read correctly that the san mai blade has welded tang???!!! they took all the time and effort to make it, then do that??!!
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Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Jan 22, 2012 1:54:17 GMT

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Post by junon on Jan 22, 2012 1:54:17 GMT

A while ago I was interested with zhisword as well; I sent them email asking about the tang construction ... Their answer was:

It is hand sharpened, but we dont recommend to use it for cutting.
rat tail tang style.

I then asked if they have any model with full tang/anything that not rat tail tang...

Usually the jian sword has the rat tail tang.
You can see the Dao sword

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ZhiSword Forge

So seems all the jian model is more SLO type...
The dao might be better.

However sinosword probably has better options... their model are full tang (the jian - I asked them as well).

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Sir Tre Member Posts: 807	Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Jan 24, 2012 1:18:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Sir Tre on Jan 24, 2012 1:18:50 GMT as for cutting you can see this 3/4 inch branch cut @ an angle causing a 1 inch cut
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Sir Tre Member Posts: 807	Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity Jan 24, 2012 1:19:52 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Sir Tre on Jan 24, 2012 1:19:52 GMT ps... the "blemish" is actually just the oil rubbed off by the cut
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Hanwei Cutting Jian Historicity

Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 4:30:47 GMT

Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 5:12:39 GMT

Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2011 4:42:57 GMT

Post by Gundoggy on Dec 19, 2011 14:31:51 GMT

Post by Sir Tre on Dec 19, 2011 16:28:03 GMT

Post by Anders on Dec 26, 2011 14:34:47 GMT

Post by Sir Tre on Dec 26, 2011 15:37:35 GMT

Post by junon on Jan 22, 2012 1:54:17 GMT

Post by Sir Tre on Jan 24, 2012 1:18:50 GMT

Post by Sir Tre on Jan 24, 2012 1:19:52 GMT

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