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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 23:00:45 GMT
Hello all. I'm thinking of buying a CRKT 'Hisshou' (designed by Sensei James Williams) and for some time now I search for some buyers reviews. So I read a a guy's review on amazon.com, that claims that the 'guard' or tsuba of the knife (which is not actually a tsuba but a fuchi) is cheap black plastic. But by searching through the net, i found that there are photos of the knife that have this fuchi, such as here: www.gunandarchery.com/new/media/com_hikashop/upload/columbia%20river%20hisshou%20237.99.jpgand photos of the knife that lacks the fuchi such as here: www.crkt.com/crkt/content/images_inv/g/l/95/CR2910_xlarge_28199_large_95.jpg where the handle is wrapped with the ito which forms a decorative knot near the blade. Note also that the second photo is from the CKRT web site. So, which is the actual knife? Are there two versions? Or perhaps the one is an older generation than the other? I'd really need your help on this...
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Post by ghost on Sept 29, 2011 23:18:17 GMT
Edit: Sorry,
Looks like you're right: a CRKT Hisshou 2910 ($165)...Amazon Second one: CRKT Hisshou YK30 Gift Box ($225ish) Knifecenter
I am seeing both forms w/ or w/o the fuchi under CR2910. Better ask the vendor to send you the right one. Just guessing that the one with the fuchi is the more recent one - did you find anything on the ito slipping or loosening up the blade?
edit: looks like kydex sheath retention problem - you probably want to go with the one with a fuchi.
There are great tantos out there - these are both are very modernized forms
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Post by EJP on Sept 30, 2011 1:58:31 GMT
I have one, bought aproximately a year ago and it came without a fu... whatever. With the plastic thingy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2011 12:25:05 GMT
Actually they are shobu zukuri, a traditional Japanese tanto geometry. What's the modernized part except the kydex sheath?
Certainly there are. But I'm looking for something with non-americanized kissaki. Do you have anything to suggest? I'm looking for a shobu zukuri big tanto...
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Post by shoboshi on Oct 2, 2011 19:27:44 GMT
A better question might be: what isn't modernized on the hisshou?
If you are looking for a big, traditional shobu tanto, look at JWhotsteel on ebay. 10-14" blades, very sexy.
If you want a traditional tanto, then a hira geometry is the one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 2:03:59 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion, JWhotsteel has very nice blades. Too bad he doesn't ship them in Greece, so my search for a shobu tanto continues.
Hira zukuri is extremely common due to the simplicity of its design, not necessary the only traditional. There are traditional tanto of all geometries (although even rare, like the kubikiri zukuri). Anyway, I just sent an email to CRKT about the fuchi, I'll post their answer as soon as they reply to me.
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Post by Aaron W on Oct 3, 2011 2:55:14 GMT
Trak, Unfortunately, this is actually not a shobu-zukuri geometry. If you look here at a photo on Bugei's Facebook page, the Hisshou is based on an osoraku tanto geometry: www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... 703&type=1 . Its similar to a shobu-zukuri, but it has approx. halfway down the ha, a yokote. This makes it about half kissaki, which as you know, a shobu-zukuri lacks a kissaki completely. Now as to what you're looking for, a traditional tanto geometry in a tactical setting, sadly, this is expensive. The only way I myself have been able to find one is to order a custom knife. I got my yoroi-doshi (armor piercer) geometry tanto from Rick Barrett, but there are others also.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 5:20:43 GMT
You are perfectly right Aaron. I thought that the osoraku zukuri has the yokote exactly in the middle of the blade (like the Hissatsu) but it seems that I'm mistaken. I had a custom tanto in my mind but it was my last choice.. Now I think I will go for it. How much did your yoroi boshi cost you? Is it a hira or a moroha zukuri? I'd love to see some pics if you want!
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Post by ghost on Oct 3, 2011 6:16:42 GMT
Aaron's beauty: viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6143customs does sound like your best choice; The few production tactical designs out there aren't worth noting - including the ckrts Haven't handled this one myself but I'd trust TomK - he knows his stuff: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4988Pm dadaochen (vendor) in the manufacturer's talk section to see if he can order you one, providing you're interested
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Post by jeimuzu on Oct 3, 2011 6:23:00 GMT
ghost, The Core of the hisshou is made with the same material as the Hisatsu. I owned a hisatsu and loved every thing about it. the kydex sheath holds it pretty good.....I would find it better if it was a tighter fit. I would buy another one again! ( I lent mine to a friend....moved and forgot she had it. I miss it dearly.)
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Post by Aaron W on Oct 3, 2011 16:05:48 GMT
IMHO, James Williams seems very fond of the osoraku geometry, as actually if you look closely, (if I remember right) all of his knives have some version of this profile. I actually own a Hissatsu 2 (the smaller spring assisted folder), so I've done all kinds of research on James Williams' blades (although I never carry it anymore, due to an accident that was in no way mine, nor my girlfriends' fault but resulted in her having a 3 inch scar on her hand for the rest of her life. It was a defect in the blades' mechanism). They are a little closer to traditional than everything else out there, but ultimately, it's just not in the same realm as something you order from a custom smith who makes the swords/knives by hand instead of on a production line.
I'll send you a PM with regards to pricing Trak. If you take a peek at the thread Ghost linked, I put up a few pics of it that Rick sent to me as well as his description of the yoroi-doshi profile. Now if I had to pick a geometry to call it with regards to what we're speaking of here, I'd say it's a pseudo-moroha-zukuri. You see, that back edge is actually false, I had Rick do it that way on purpose to not violate any state laws against carrying daggers. Speaking of which, I highly recommend you do your research with regards to your state laws and knife carry, or even if you intend on having this at home. The last thing I personally would want is to be carrying a weapon, have to defend myself by ending my attackers life, then end up spending the rest of mine in jail because I didn't read some stupid fine print regarding knife laws. It just seems careless.
I actually just heard from Lance Parrish last night and my knife will be heading to me in the mail today, so I'll have more pics up on that thread with the knife itself as well as the sheath I just had made for it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 19:30:39 GMT
I as well had an accident with a spring assisted folder, so I'm not to fond of them anymore. Instead I prefer to have a regular folder or a small fixed blade for my EDC. Your knife looks a master piece and is definitely an eye catcher, Aaron! I'll be waiting for more photos of it and it's new sheath, and I'll probably go for a custom made myself after all. The laws in Greece are messed up, I usually don't carry a blade over 4 inches long. But I want a strong tanto for indoors self defense.
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Post by Hiroshi on Oct 3, 2011 19:37:16 GMT
FYI, I just finished developing a theme for a client of mine.(i a web designer) But he is selling the CRKT HISSATSU for $50.02 right now with 10$ shipping. some sort of grand opening sale or something. here is the link jb-mods.com/magento/index.php/eq ... satsu.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2011 22:02:29 GMT
Ok folks, I just got a reply from CRKT's customer service. This is the exact answer they gave me: "Thank you for your email. You are correct in that there were two versions. The first image you listed in the one we currently sell. The other image is an old prototype image. I hope this helps. If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. Best regards, Greg Hughes Columbia River Knife and Tool ".
So it seems that the Hisshoy that is promoted and pictured without the fuchi is actually a prototype (which I suppose was never on market).
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Post by scorpioblade on Jun 8, 2012 10:01:43 GMT
The Hisshou should come w/ Fuchi.I got one of the first ones and they came w/it.The knife has been used to cut 100s of plastic bottles, as well as cutting cans,cardboard tubing,and tatami mats.Its grip/wrap has not loosened at all,and the blade remains super sharp.It is my favorite long knife/short sword?? to cut with and I feel is one of CRKT's finest fixed blades.
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Post by scorpioblade on Jun 8, 2012 10:04:20 GMT
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